I've made no accusations on this, fool. And seeing as you have conveniently skirted the issue once again, I will re-quote what the actual issue is, and the more you skirt the issue, the more I will keep reminding people of what a damned liar MagicalMaster is:

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The actual issue is (and always has been) that the version of the game GoG provides often does not work properly until the 1.69 critical rebuild is run. People assume a game that is "fully patched" or however you want to phrase it will work correctly out of the box (short of issues like operating system/graphics card compatibility issues) -- which the GoG version of NWN does not.

The reason for this is irrelevant, the point is that many people will need the 1.69 critical rebuild and everyone might as well run it upon installing to be safe.

No, the actual issue is that you have repeatedly accused GOG of falsifying their advertising; have repeatedly accused GOG of supplying unpatched games when they say it is patched. You have been given ample opportunity to, but have never denied this, never apologised for this -- it's not rocket science: you are a liar, plain and simple.

Maybe you need *another* reminder, so I will re-quote myself:

I want an answer from you: where is your proof that GOG has released any game that they say is patched, when it in fact is NOT patched? Proof, please, not disgruntled forum user posts. In other words, show me the words from GOG, and show me the file/s that are not as advertised. Until you do that, or you offer GOG an apology, you are nothing but a damned liar, and people in this and any other forum should see you as such.

When GOG first began distributing NWN, they themselves provided a link to the Critical Rebuild for 1.69 HOTU version (since they distributed only the Diamond Edition, the other rebuilds had no use for a GOG customer). Even though NWN was advertised here as "fully patched", and wasn't, it wasn't GOG's fault, they weren't lying, they were merely distributing "something" from Bioware that was miss represented as fully patched. The most common issues with this first GOG release was crashing when trying to join or launch multi player modes. In single player mode, the metallic/silverskin "bugs" were present for some folks, but that depended on video cards/drivers mostly since all the Bioware modules either used previous patch versions or came with their own haks, unless you opened and saved one of those modules in the toolset, single player was largely unaffected.

Keep in mind, this was not just an issue with GOG installs of NWN. Back then, even though Bioware's Master Servers were still online, if you used the "auto update" feature, you still ended up lacking resources that were included in the critical rebuilds and on the old Bioware Forums, they were recommending that folks with either a disk or GOG install just use the critical rebuild and be done with it.

At the end of 2010 or the beginning of 2011, I just recall it was around the winter holidays, GOG released another version of NWN, again it was provided by Bioware, and still many folks were having issues. Again, single player seemed fine for most folks, and the multi player crashing was resolved, but if you played a module or PW made/edited with 1.69 you would at times still be missing textures or appearances. Random crashes both when playing multiplayer or using the toolset were still a common occurrence.

No one is claiming GOG has or had been lying or even still is. They merely provide us a package given to them to distribute by another entity is all. There are issues, or had been, its as simple as that.

Up until Bioware's Master went offline in June of 2012, these symptoms persisted for both GOG versions and versions using the auto updater by Bioware. It wasn't just GOG versions, but Bioware's as well. Easily fixed in either case by simply running the 1.69 critical rebuild. Again, single player seemed relatively issue free. As a PW Host/Admin, my interactions are mainly with folks trying to join a multi player game after all.

Now, since GOG's page for NWN has advertised it as being a both single player and multi player game since day one that fact that many folk not being able to access multi player or having technical issues when they do, could be grossly exaggerated as accusing GOG of lying, which none of us have. If anyone has ever lied it was Bioware or Hasbro/Atari and not GOG themselves. Even then, lie is a strong wording and I would blame it on merely a mistaken representation by those providing GOG with the game.

From late 2012 through the present, the number of times in my own experiences that someone has actually needed the critical rebuild after installing NWN from GOG has severely declined. Even though its been a "cure" for several folks I've helped recently, I suspect that it was more likely that to correctly install the critical rebuild, that folks usually have to move where NWN was installed from "/program files (x86)" to "c://NeverwinterNights/NWN". On some systems, the install location seems to have little impact, but on others, moving it seems to be a possible "fix" as well and next time I'm helping someone over Skype to get NWN running smoothly, I'll test this theory. Even then, if this proves true, its an issue, not with the fully patched game distributed, but with GOG's installer, issues with newer Windows based platforms, or both. Regardless of whether its an issue with GOGs "patched" download or "where" it gets installed on some systems, PW Admins such as myself spend countless hours assisting folks that have issues with GOG's version of NWN, but then again, its pretty much the only version players have access to and shouldn't be lumped on their shoulders directly.

NWN is an old game. If you've a newer computer system, most likely you'll need to "jump through a few hoops" to get it to run smoothly, just as with many other games that aren't even half as old.

@urknighterrant - While I don't necessarily agree with the entirety of your posts, they were at least fairly civil and informative. And ... thanks for your old horse system too. I've adapted it for use on 7 different PWs since it was first released and was a big time saver not having to start from scratch.

@Hickory - Your persistent name calling of anyone in disagreement marks you as nothing more than a troll unfortunately.

Says the person with virtually no history on GOG. Again, dismissed.

Here, I'll say it again, and I will keep on saying it:

I want an answer from you: where is your proof that GOG has released any game that they say is patched, when it in fact is NOT patched? Proof, please, not disgruntled forum user posts. In other words, show me the words from GOG, and show me the file/s that are not as advertised. Until you do that, or you offer GOG an apology, you are nothing but a damned liar, and people in this and any other forum should see you as such.

You can see his Bioware profile here and check out his actual history: http://forum.bioware.com/user/663417-kalbaern/

You can see what prompted him to register here and make a thread here: http://forum.bioware.com/topic/509425-gog-edition-user-before-you-claim-cc-is-bugged-please-read-this/?p=18485685

Echoing this.

See here as well: http://forum.bioware.com/topic/509425-gog-edition-user-before-you-claim-cc-is-bugged-please-read-this/?p=18530170

I want an answer from you: where is your proof that GOG has released any game that they say is patched, when it in fact is NOT patched? Proof, please, not disgruntled forum user posts. In other words, show me the words from GOG, and show me the file/s that are not as advertised. Until you do that, or you offer GOG an apology, you are nothing but a damned liar, and people in this and any other forum should see you as such.

The link is dead, but can be found using a way-back machine still.

http://www.gog.com/en/forum/neverwinter_nights_diamond/patch_is_needed/post12

There were a couple of more, but they are dead as well.

Wow, I bet that took some digging. Must be desperate. There's no proof of false advertising there, and it doesn't help your stance one iota. Maybe if MagicalMaster just fessed up and outright says he was wrong, or apologised for calling GOG liars, we could all get on with things.

Good summary in this and other posts. Thanks and +1.