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My point was that the DM spells are not very cost effective. You get more bang for each point of mana with elemental magic (Sparks and many of the Fire spells are effective inside), which means fewer rests or teleport to a well. Also, you'll need lost of skill points for the DM spells to be really effective, by which time you may already be near the end. If you want the best possible score you will want to finish the game in as few game days as possible. And each training takes a week.

The DM spells are not "best" if you want a good score, unless you meta game and save your skill points.
You can wipe out Titans in their Temple with Rock Blast. Easy.
I don't understand why fire magic gets all the love. IMO water is better. It has poison spray (comparable to sparks, though not as good), ice bolt (decent early-mid spell), acid burst (one of the best offensive elemental spells in the game) and ice blast for AoE damage.

a LOT of the late game monsters are immune or resistant to fire damage, but water magic has acid burst that deal physical damage in addition to the cold damage spells.

Water has:
- high utility with town portal/lloyd's/enchant
- high physical damge with acid burst
- decent AoE damage with ice blast
- a very good (though not the best) low-level spell in poison spray
- offensive spells for all levels

Fire has:
- high damage, as long as monsters aren't immune or resistant (which they usually are late-game)
- very low utility - only torch light and haste (and you should be casting haste from hour of power anyway if you need it)
- no viable offensive spells between fire bolt and inferno/incinerate (fireball will probably kill your own party half the time, and I always felt fire blast did too little damage and is too hard to target with for it to be useful)
Water is the first skill I max out to get Master Town Portal ASAP.

And I agree Water spells are generally more effective in combat. But some monsters can only be damaged by Fire, like some Slimes, and personally I think Inferno is a fun spell.
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PetrusOctavianus: The DM spells are not "best" if you want a good score, unless you meta game and save your skill points.
the only best spells are town portal and fly if you want a "good score" aka you'll cheese the game in an hour without actually playing it, I don't see the point in really discussing the best possible party for a "good score" since as long as you have a sorcerer you have the best party.
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PetrusOctavianus: The DM spells are not "best" if you want a good score, unless you meta game and save your skill points.
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omgzed: the only best spells are town portal and fly if you want a "good score" aka you'll cheese the game in an hour without actually playing it,
I'd though cheesing and "unless you meta game" would be mutually exclusive.
I don't see the point in really discussing the best possible party for a "good score" since as long as you have a sorcerer you have the best party. unless you meta game
That I agree with.
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PetrusOctavianus: Water is the first skill I max out to get Master Town Portal ASAP.

And I agree Water spells are generally more effective in combat. But some monsters can only be damaged by Fire, like some Slimes, and personally I think Inferno is a fun spell.
No monster in MM6 can only be damaged by fire. Oozes (I assume this is what you mean by slime) have the same resistance to fire and cold).

I agree that inferno is a cool spell.
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omgzed: the only best spells are town portal and fly if you want a "good score" aka you'll cheese the game in an hour without actually playing it,
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PetrusOctavianus: I'd though cheesing and "unless you meta game" would be mutually exclusive.

I don't see the point in really discussing the best possible party for a "good score" since as long as you have a sorcerer you have the best party. unless you meta game
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PetrusOctavianus: That I agree with.
What's an example of meta gaming? Thanks.
Post edited September 12, 2021 by macAilpin
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PetrusOctavianus: The DM spells are not "best" if you want a good score, unless you meta game and save your skill points.
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omgzed: the only best spells are town portal and fly if you want a "good score" aka you'll cheese the game in an hour without actually playing it, I don't see the point in really discussing the best possible party for a "good score" since as long as you have a sorcerer you have the best party.
Why did you come here then?
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omgzed: the only best spells are town portal and fly if you want a "good score" aka you'll cheese the game in an hour without actually playing it,
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PetrusOctavianus: I'd though cheesing and "unless you meta game" would be mutually exclusive.

I don't see the point in really discussing the best possible party for a "good score" since as long as you have a sorcerer you have the best party. unless you meta game
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PetrusOctavianus: That I agree with.
well I guess its all about where you draw the line, personally I'd consider keeping your level purposefully low in a rpg "metagaming" or cheesing as well but difference of opinion I guess.