Guys, it is not possible to have a rational discussion with a crank.

A "crank"? I worry about the lowering IQ of this community.

*shrug* The new ones can't be any worse than the last three. It can only go up from there really.

Star Wars: now with random lens flares! ;)

So I'll ask again, and I want an answer. Is "The Dark Elf Trilogy" canon or not?

See above. Choose any of the Drizzt books, and tell me if it's canon or not. Yes, including those that deal with deaths of Forgotten Realms major characters.

You mean accepting all of product a, but none of product b, if A is a game (you don't mod a fucking game. That's lessening the experience) and b is a movie (Episodes 1-3 are not canon, because they don't fit with my view. Nor are the new versions of 4-6 canon, because they don't fit with my view either)? Because that's what you are doing. You are lessening your Star Wars experience by changing parts of the "As Published" versions.

And no, I won't let this go.

What are you saying? That Rontos are canon? That Han stepping on a CGI Jabba the Hutt's tail is canon? That Luke screaming as he falls down the shaft in Cloud City is canon? That Darth Vader moaning "noooo" while the Emperor electrocutes Luke is canon? That Bernard Shaw never existing as the old Anakin is canon? That a CGI version of a new Sarlacc pit monster is canon? That pink colored lightsabers (not red) is canon?

I suppose you'll also say that the Del Rey books of Star Wars, Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi are not part of canon, because they don't have Rontos, moaning Darth Vaders, Greedo shooting first. Han Solo stepping on Jabba the Hutt's tail, a Sarlacc pit monster without a face or a beak, Boba Fett speaking like a Kiwi...I could go on.

So what are you saying.

If this is aimed at me, allow me to answer.

Anything made by the creator is canon. That means that Han did shoot first, and that Han didn't shoot first. Both are made by the creator, and the creator did at some point decided to retouch the story. Is the previous canon removed by the new canon? That depends on the creator, and how he handled it. Take a look at the multitude of Batman/Superman realities to see an example.

As for the Del Rey books, I don't know. Did Lucas agree with them? If they are published using the Star Wars logo, it means the creator (or publisher) did agree with the content, thus they are part of canon as well.

My argument against anjohl is because he says that something the creator made is not canon, while by definition, canon is what the creator makes. So even if a lot of us don't agree with the canon portrayed in episodes 1-3 and/or the newer versions of episodes 4-6, it is canon. That doesn't mean that canon is the best version, just the official one. See discussions on game modifications for my opinion (and anjohl's) on modifying canon.

By making sequels to the original trilogy, naturally they are distancing themselves from the prequel trilogy (as far as Episodes go). But there's no way around it, it's the way things are. The Clone Wars series wasn't completely owned (as far as distribution goes) by Disney, since Warner was the one who released the movie and the already made five seasons. And as we know now, they are making a new animated series between Episodes III and IV (proof that they aren't ignoring the prequels at all), which Disney will have complete control of. No, it wasn't. As we can see above, that's not true. Maybe, maybe not. We don't know what's the state of the galaxy on Episode VII. There was a reason the technology seen on the prequels was slightly different than the one seen in the originals. No, it wasn't. It's seen throughout the prequels how some of the technology is less advanced than the one seen in the originals (colourless holograms, robotic hands, starfighters without lightspeed), even though they had a modern design (which makes sense, since in times of war everything takes a more industrialized look). We can see that change with Episodes II and III.

You're just making excuses for a director who bit off more than he could chew. A director who publicly denounced revisions of films only to do it himself beginning in 1997. The live action Star Wars TV show IS shuttered. Show me proof that George Lucas's planned series is still happening. The revisionist version is not canon. It is not an AFI top 100 film. It is not one of the highest grossing films of all time after Gone With the Wind. It is not the one archived in the LIbrary of Congress.

Even Steven Spielberg released a revisionist version of ET with walkie-talkies replacing police with handguns. It was STUPID. Even Steven admitted to the grave error and vows never to do something like that again.

Judging by your stock responses you probably have no truly independent thought.

As opposed to your stock responses?

(God, why do people say these things... can't you just have a civil conversation without trying to demean each other?)

My responses are far from stock, but thanks for playing.

+1 internetz to you or how ever that goes

What?

Oh, so you didn't create this thread to make a genuine question, but for mindless bashing. Well, if you actually heard his speech against revision of films, he clearly states that he's talking about studio revisions without the consent of the directors or the creatives behind them. That's why he fought so hard to own his film rights.

No, you are the one with the burden of proof. Neither Disney nor Lucasfilm have claimed that it won't happen. You claimed that, thus you are the one who needs to back that up.

It actually is, wether people like it or not. But what has that got to do with anything?

It is.

Spielberg has a different opinion than Lucas. Doesn't make him any more right or wrong.

Oh, the irony...

I don't even know why he started to get so offensive. Clearly someone here has a problem with well constructed arguments that differ from his personal opinion.

You've got completely the wrong idea about my views as a result of your preconceptions and biases. I didn't "crap on" anything. I love all six star wars movies.