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Posted April 19, 2013
Survey Results: See what the future of GOG.com holds!

A few weeks ago we asked you to fill out a survey about some of the possible new areas of gaming that GOG.com might move into in the future. We also promised that we’d share the results with you, and they are below. Before we get to that, though, we did want to let you know what these mean to us:

1. We remain committed to bringing you guys the best games from all of gaming history, on both PC and Mac. This means that while we’re exploring ways to bring you new games, we also are committed to bringing classics back to life as well. This year alone has seen Omikron, System Shock 2, the Leisure Suit Larry series, Strike Commander, and even Daikatana!

2. DLC is a controversial issue, but something that has been in gaming—by another name—since the very early days. You guys seem to understand that it’s not possible for us to sign new games with all of their DLC (before it is even made) bundled in, and it looks like you’re willing to either buy DLC or not as you find it interesting. As part of our continual efforts to improve the user experience on GOG.com, we will be looking at new, better ways to present DLC in our catalog as well.

3. Selling episodic content before the “season” is finished is also something we’re looking forward to bringing you in the future, and you seem to agree.

4. Season passes—for both DLC and for episodic content—clearly have a mixed perception here. Season passes—if we do offer them—are something that we’ll approach with deliberation to make sure that we’re confident that the content that is promised will all be delivered.

5. Finally, we have somewhat conflicting information on the persistent multiplayer features; when discussed in a very abstract fashion (as it was in the first survey), it’s a very clear “no.” When mentioned in a specific game that we’ve shown you, it’s an equally clear “yes.” What we’re going to be sure of, going forward, is that we’re very careful that any game that we bring you guys with persistent multiplayer features will be at least as offline-friendly as Planetary Annihilation is.

One of the defining characteristics of GOG.com is that the games that we sell have no DRM; this isn't going to change, and we will continue to evaluate the games that we bring to you to make sure that they're not only great games, but great games that we think will fit in well with how we do business.

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Thank you for responding to our surveys in such large numbers. GOG.com would be a mere shadow of itself if it wasn't for its incredible, open, friendly, and active community--that is you!
Post edited April 19, 2013 by G-Doc
Posted April 19, 2013
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macnbc: Disappointed with the results.

Sometimes I worry that people would vote yes for DRM if asked if it would allow more games on the site, simply because people would rather have more games.
For me, it is absolutely imperative that GOG remain DRM free. Seriously, there is nothing that matters to me more here on GOG than DRM free. GOG has become the shining light of hope that I will eventually get the games that I want DRM free.

Have I bought games with copy protection? Yes.
Have I bought games with DRM? Yes, few and reluctantly. Also very very cheap.
Have I not bought games I want because of DRM? Yes, there are many games I want to play, but won't buy with DRM.
Have I bought second or third copies of games on GOG that previously had copy protection or DRM? Yes, tons!

I'm still waiting to buy my second copy of Knights of the Old Republic 1 & 2, copy protection free. Or my first copy of Bioshock 1 & 2 DRM free. Of course I will buy Cyberpunk 2077 and Witcher 3 DRM free when they are released.

One of my favorite games finally showed up here DRM free, Overlord + Raising Hell! I bought it again. Now I want to see other Codemasters games here, like Overlord 2, Grid, Dirt and Fuel.

If GOG gives in on DRM even once, that could forever hurt the chances of getting some games here DRM free. Unique keys for multiplayer that do NOT activate online are fine. Optional sign-in for additional features to multiplayer are OK.

My simple rule - If a game can be installed and played single player and multi player after GOG and/or the developer/publisher is gone, then it should be good on GOG.

*If GOG gives in on DRM even once, that could forever hurt the chances of getting some games here DRM free.*
Posted April 19, 2013
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dredhammer: Nobody else asked for Linux Support from GOG.com?
I don't know what you mean. Poll never asked about Linux support. You can vote for it here.

EDIT: I realized it was game specific question. My bad.
Post edited April 19, 2013 by Mivas
Posted April 19, 2013
Good. Some people might give DLC a scary shadow but that's their problem. I'm glad to see more options coming to GOG.

DLC ≠ DRM.
Posted April 19, 2013
Cool. I definitely look forward to finding newer stuff on GOG.

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Though I do hope GOG doesn't make a habit of rejecting newer games because they seem too retro.
Posted April 19, 2013
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keeveek: snip
Addition to my previous post:
Don't get me wrong: I'm not really against the idea to find alpha/beta versions on GOG or something, it DOES piss me off though that people are so hot for those while they refuse MP games - and in all honesty: the latter are closer to what GOG is about. GOG is about good games and already has a few MP titles (like UT), early broken versions collide with GOG's M.O. of providing complete and polished products.

Also I honestly believe that the people who will actually benefit from those early versions either by using those to provide good feedback for the developers or just enjoying them without ruining the experience for themselves are a minority. I believe that many people just didn't give much thought to it, that they just thought "cool, I get to play the game early!" and voted "yes" without understanding what it's like to play a game TOO EARLY.
Post edited April 19, 2013 by F4LL0UT
Posted April 19, 2013
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dredhammer: Nobody else asked for Linux Support from GOG.com?
I have, several times. Some Kickstarter games will be distributed on GOG, Project Eternity, Wasteland 2 and Torment. We will have a choice between getting our game through Steam or GOG. If GOG will not support Linux, Linux users will have no choice but to use Steam. I have suggested that GOG at least make an exception and offer Linux downloads for these releases.

Linux users love DRM free, and I feel GOG needs to jump on that fast. Desura actually beat Steam to Linux. Desura offers two methods for getting games. You can either user their client to download and install the games, or you can download the game's installer directly from the game page on Desura.

I did read GOG's concerns about supporting GOG. What GOG should realize is that many Linux users can handle some problems with getting games to work on their distro of choice.

Come GOG, it's time to beta Linux support.
Posted April 19, 2013
Congrats to those who wanted DLC on GOG, I just hope DLC releases don't take up game release slots.
Post edited April 19, 2013 by haydenaurion
Posted April 19, 2013
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Fuzzyfireball: Good. Some people might give DLC a scary shadow but that's their problem. I'm glad to see more options coming to GOG.
DLC ≠ DRM.
That's the kind of thinking that put gaming in the state it is today. You may seriously want to up your standards and not drag everyone down with you.
DLC aren't inherently bad, by nature they could be expansion packs, which were basically like sequels back in the days. However, that's not what is happening today. Today DLC are nothing but a pitiful excuse to release an unfinished games in hope to sells a part of its content separately to get a better and free profit margin but simply relying in the weakness of individuals to refrain themselves to throw money around without a second thought.
Further more "conventional DLC" isn't the only way to add content to a game, you can have new releases or stand alone releases, STALKER and the upcoming Kaiju Combat come to mind.
Posted April 19, 2013
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I feel like GOG has lost a piece of its soul. Remember when GOG used to be special and filled with fluffy kittens? Those days are long past for now GOG has gone into the business of scamming the weak minded with DLC. No strong, independent person would ever buy DLC, as I see it. In other news, only antisocial psychopaths would play video games. I wish they sold less video games so we would have less mass shootings and serial killers. Report DLC for terrorism.
Posted April 19, 2013
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Fictionvision: I'm glad to see Planetary Annihilation win by a big margin. I feel games that allow single player and LAN play without any restrictions are fine for GOG. Putting the questions into a specific game like this was a better example for people to judge than things like the small Omerta DLC packs for $5 each.
Not really. They're both specific examples of general cases, and they're both games that made it through GOG's selection processes. The only difference is that Planetary Annihilation is much more acceptable than the Omerta DLC.

Many multiplayer-focused games have crippled or shallow single-player components. It would be trivial to find a specific example that would have been easily rejected in a survey. Of course, GOG isn't trying to find ones in that category.

Overall, I believe they'll exercise judgement when selecting multiplayer-focused games, looking for things like no-DRM LAN play and significant single-player value. Then again, they were presumably exercising judgement when they put up the Omerta DLC, and it's practically the poster child for everything wrong with DLC. It's hard to think of a worse way to introduce it. Even horse armor would have been less controversial.
Posted April 19, 2013
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F4LL0UT: I believe that many people just didn't give much thought to it, that they just thought "cool, I get to play the game early!" and voted "yes" without understanding what it's like to play a game TOO EARLY.
I think you are right. I don't know how many people would be happy after falling through the world a half dozen times, and having to recreate your character again and again and again. I knew what I was getting into, and for specific reasons wanted in early. Luckily I was able to figure out how to recover my character.

I have the option to play some Kickstarter backed games early, but I won't until they are finished.
Since we are talking about DLC, let's move up to expansions.

Where is Dungeon Keeper: Deeper Dungeons and Syndicate: American Revolt?????
Post edited April 19, 2013 by jalister
Posted April 19, 2013
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haydenaurion: Congrats to those who wanted DLC on GOG, I just hope DLC releases don't take up game release slots.
That wouldn't be an issue really.

Expansions for old games may be another story but any publishers who want their new games here are likely to want to sell the DLC also so there shouldn't much work involved for that on GOG's end.
Posted April 19, 2013
I have no problem with buying DLC.
I have no problem with persistent online modes being available AS LONG AS the game includes a single player game that can be played completely offline as well as LAN multilayer that doesn't require servers outside the LAN to authenticate.
Posted April 19, 2013
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SPTX: That's the kind of thinking that put gaming in the state it is today.
No, it isn't. When a game is delivered only with DRM, you don't have other choices except never buying. When a game is released with upcoming DLCs, you can always wait until everything is released and sold for a price you find acceptable.

Does it really matter if GOG sells a game and DLCs gradually or everything together a year later? Please, don't take it personally but this argument seems to me like a plea of compulsive buyer.
Posted April 19, 2013
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Fuzzyfireball: Good. Some people might give DLC a scary shadow but that's their problem. I'm glad to see more options coming to GOG.
DLC ≠ DRM.
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SPTX: that's not what is happening today. Today DLC are nothing but a pitiful excuse to release an unfinished games in hope to sells a part of its content separately to get a better and free profit margin but simply relying in the weakness of individuals to refrain themselves to throw money around without a second thought.
This is what it looks like when people talk out of their ass.

This has been argued to death in a dozen other threads so I'm not going to bother.
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