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Posted April 19, 2013
Survey Results: See what the future of GOG.com holds!

A few weeks ago we asked you to fill out a survey about some of the possible new areas of gaming that GOG.com might move into in the future. We also promised that we’d share the results with you, and they are below. Before we get to that, though, we did want to let you know what these mean to us:

1. We remain committed to bringing you guys the best games from all of gaming history, on both PC and Mac. This means that while we’re exploring ways to bring you new games, we also are committed to bringing classics back to life as well. This year alone has seen Omikron, System Shock 2, the Leisure Suit Larry series, Strike Commander, and even Daikatana!

2. DLC is a controversial issue, but something that has been in gaming—by another name—since the very early days. You guys seem to understand that it’s not possible for us to sign new games with all of their DLC (before it is even made) bundled in, and it looks like you’re willing to either buy DLC or not as you find it interesting. As part of our continual efforts to improve the user experience on GOG.com, we will be looking at new, better ways to present DLC in our catalog as well.

3. Selling episodic content before the “season” is finished is also something we’re looking forward to bringing you in the future, and you seem to agree.

4. Season passes—for both DLC and for episodic content—clearly have a mixed perception here. Season passes—if we do offer them—are something that we’ll approach with deliberation to make sure that we’re confident that the content that is promised will all be delivered.

5. Finally, we have somewhat conflicting information on the persistent multiplayer features; when discussed in a very abstract fashion (as it was in the first survey), it’s a very clear “no.” When mentioned in a specific game that we’ve shown you, it’s an equally clear “yes.” What we’re going to be sure of, going forward, is that we’re very careful that any game that we bring you guys with persistent multiplayer features will be at least as offline-friendly as Planetary Annihilation is.

One of the defining characteristics of GOG.com is that the games that we sell have no DRM; this isn't going to change, and we will continue to evaluate the games that we bring to you to make sure that they're not only great games, but great games that we think will fit in well with how we do business.

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Thank you for responding to our surveys in such large numbers. GOG.com would be a mere shadow of itself if it wasn't for its incredible, open, friendly, and active community--that is you!
Post edited April 19, 2013 by G-Doc
Posted April 21, 2013
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bhlow: "Mature and classy" gamers understand the way business works. Don't like it? Don't buy it. If you feel like you're being made to "bend over", just don't do it. I also find the phrasing of the questions practical. "Want new stuff? We may have to offer this stuff so we have more bargaining chips with the developers and publishers." The choice "NO" was there the whole time. Nobody's forcing anyone to click "yes".

My personal line is DRM disguised in any form (yes, EA and ActiBlizz, I'm looking at your nonsense). Everyone else's line has been shown in the results, and I respect it.
Exactly, if I don`t like it, I don`t buy it. That`s what I am afraid of, that I start to dislike the games (or fractions therof) offered here. Don`t get me wrong, it`s just my opinion, but I want games, that faced the test of time and won (oh pathos...). I want GOOD oldish games. Complete games, games that I remeber fondly or that I regret not having played at their time.

I do agree with your DRM opinion, once that line would be crossed gog would no longer be an option.
Posted April 21, 2013
I read the "episodic" questions primarily as Telltale Games releasing here as they are made, which I honestly have no complaints about.
Posted April 21, 2013
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SPTX: This wouldn't be an issue with a neutral ("don't care") answer available. Some people would still vote yes/no even if they had no involvement in the question though.
Unlikely. In my experience, a "neutral" vote can be taken to mean that, while you are not interested in something right now, you don't mind its existence, and can even potentially try it at a later time. And things tend to work like this quite often, trust me. This, arguably, makes polls even more useless.

If you dislike this logic, remember that the whole point of this stuff is to get money, and losing potential buyers in order to please people who won't buy the new products usually isn't a very clever idea. And while this may sound like a disrespect for old customers, it's not: as I said - GOG needs money in any case if they want to release more classic games, and no one wants them to cease doing this or go bankrupt. I'd imagine that the best classic games yet to be released here aren't exactly cheap...

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DelusionsBeta: I read the "episodic" questions primarily as Telltale Games releasing here as they are made, which I honestly have no complaints about.
Another example of attracting more buyers. I usually prefer those as whole packages - in the form they're currently added - but GOG can eventually rerelease the games in this form when they're completed, maybe even with bugfixes etc., while people who prefer buying each episode on release will get this option. I don't see anything wrong with this, it's not like you're forced to buy everything right away. Though I wonder how this is going to affect the final price...
Post edited April 21, 2013 by YnK
Posted April 21, 2013
This survey was incredibly silly. "Do you want GOG to rip you off with day 1 DLC so that we can end world hunger, or you not want it, and see the world burn to the ground?" Kinda like those faceboook posts that go "If you don't like, you like watching kittens being burned alive".
Posted April 21, 2013
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Buddy_Dacote: This survey was incredibly silly. "Do you want GOG to rip you off with day 1 DLC so that we can end world hunger, or you not want it, and see the world burn to the ground?" Kinda like those faceboook posts that go "If you don't like, you like watching kittens being burned alive".
I think they kinda meant it - not literally, but surely making something that has 30k votes on the community wishlist available for sale would've been epic enough?
Posted April 21, 2013
So generally what it looks like is that people don't want GoG to be fair and unique among all other digital distributors...
Posted April 21, 2013
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azah_lemur: So generally what it looks like is that people don't want GoG to be fair and unique among all other digital distributors...
Would you like to elaborate, especially on the "fair" part?
Posted April 21, 2013
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GhostwriterDoF: Isn’t the next best thing to having a great game, is having more stuff to add to it?
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ERISS: That's why DLCs exist: Editors use this fact to cheat us, it is abuse.
They can't name "expansion" those tiny expensive chunk of base game, nor they don't want to name DLCs "fuck in your face", so they use a generic "DLC" which means nothing. Even the original base game is technically a downloaded content...
If they sell us shit, they'll name it DM: digested meal.
Yes, well, there is no disputing that the DLC content of today has been dismal compared to some of the best Expansion packs of yesteryear. However, we cannot forget the disastrous Expansion packs, blasts from the past that were just as ill-received as the ones being complained about today.

And nobody voted for DLCs that are stripped content from a game, only to be released later as added content, feigned as “optional”, yet is essential for the gaming experience. Of course these kinds of DLC are rewarded with the most caustic of responses from gaming communities worldwide, and always have been.

Yet, some of you seem to forget, that This is GoG.

TeamGoG works tirelessly, when they are not busy gaming, to keep bringing more classic titles to their Catalog. They talk to us, make videos to keep us informed and entertained and ask us to help guide their decisions going forward. And they try to make an honest living by providing a service to us, all of us.

Even the Developers that are bringing their new productions boldly walk among us to market their wares. They post in the threads here, and interact directly with us in the video/chats, to try to improve their designs and meet the expectations and requests expressed by our community. They too are trying to earn an honest living, developing games. These small teams work hard for their money, if you haven’t noticed, they have the same coffee (or preferred beverage), and hastily eaten food stains on their T-shirts as you (our general community) do.

I like Devs who dare to interact with gamers. We all know how gamers can be. It’s very much like setting up lawn chairs and having a picnic in the middle of a food fight. The Financiers who run the Corporate Giants of game publishing are terrified of gamers... When was the last time you saw one of them walk into a room full of gamers and talk about their future plans or take question and answers?
Posted April 21, 2013
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azah_lemur: So generally what it looks like is that people don't want GoG to be fair and unique among all other digital distributors...
I'd rather prefer them to be more generic if this means they'll eventually become reach enough to release more of the old games I want to own. They're still not going to be adding DRM - that's fair enough already. Remaining true to one's beliefs is only going to work until it starts to cause harm. In the end, GOG is still a store, not just a community that votes for stuff. I certainly can't blame them for not being masochistic enough. Easy for us customers to say they should be unique, but I suppose it's just not working for them - and yet they're still promising and releasing more old games, so why stop supporting them right when they need it the most?
Posted April 21, 2013
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azah_lemur: So generally what it looks like is that people don't want GoG to be fair and unique among all other digital distributors...
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HypersomniacLive: Would you like to elaborate, especially on the "fair" part?
I guess he meant something like a "Fair lady".
Posted April 21, 2013
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Dreadz: These results: faith in GOG users destroyed. :(
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Stefro: I have to agree. I cannot believe the results. Maybe it`s the way the questions were asked in the polls. Still would have thought that the mature and classy users (as I`d liked to think of us) are against DLC, always-online and Multiplayer above Singleplayer experience.
Do you think "People with different tastes and desires in video games than me are classless and immature" is, itself, a classy or mature sentiment?
Posted April 21, 2013
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Stefro: I have to agree. I cannot believe the results. Maybe it`s the way the questions were asked in the polls. Still would have thought that the mature and classy users (as I`d liked to think of us) are against DLC, always-online and Multiplayer above Singleplayer experience.
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BadDecissions: Do you think "People with different tastes and desires in video games than me are classless and immature" is, itself, a classy or mature sentiment?
You really made me think about this. And I am not proud to say this, but I do think that not only my own but also the taste of the people I presumed were the average gog customers are above what i assume to be the current generations typical gamer. Apparently I was wrong. I believe to be classy and mature, so by default any opposing opinion has to be the opposite. Because this is the internet and cats and stuff. Seriously, don`t try to read to much into anything, I just want gog to stay the way it is. Good (emphasis) Old (important too) Games (rather a given).
So long Space Cowboy.
Posted April 21, 2013
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Stefro: Good (emphasis)
We already had some games infamous for their initial reception. Look at Phantasmagoria 2 (still, it was instabuy for me the moment it went on sale). Look at Daikatana. Hell, we have entire GOG-Mix dedicated for "bad" games.
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Stefro: Old (important too)
Looking through my GOG shelf I was really surprised how many good NEW games I have there. Blackwell, Resonance, The Cat Lady, Gemini Rue, Richard and Alice, To the Moon, Hotline Miami or Waking Mars (this one I won in a giveaway and I'm really enjoying it). To me, those games are a bridge between old and new and great additions to GOG catalog.
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Stefro: Games (rather a given).
Service CD Project runs for Polish market has e-books and comic books. The day I can buy new issues of Clive Barker's Hellraiser on GOG and leave Comixology for good would be the day I open a big bottle of champagne.
And I'm a no-drinker :)
Post edited April 21, 2013 by Novotnus
Posted April 21, 2013
I think I was one of the majority voters on almost all questions. It actually meant that I don't mind GOG doing these things, not that I think GOG should concentrate on them or that they would be best for GOG or that I will make use of these things. But if GOG sees no other way to do something more useful they should do it and there will certainly be people who will enjoy it.

What I really like is their persistence with DRM free. I am very satisfied by this.
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aluinie: Some really interesting results from this survey it is good to see what the community wants.
It wasn't really a survey to show what people want since the number of alternatives given was too limited. It was more a survey to find out what people wouldn't object to. You still don't know what they really want. My guess is that most people just want more complete and easy to handle edition of good games (old or new) for a fair price and preferrably without DRM. But that question wasn't asked.
Post edited April 21, 2013 by Trilarion
Posted April 21, 2013
What we’re going to be sure of, going forward, is that we’re very careful that any game that we bring you guys with persistent multiplayer features will be at least as offline-friendly as Planetary Annihilation is.

I hope so much this means that all multi-player games released in the future will not require accounts of playing over LAN. Then it truly is offline-friendly for me. ^_^
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