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Every game's better with a jetpack.
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SCPM: Hidden and Dangerous, which is freeware now.
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tinyE: It should be. :P I kid, it's not that bad.

*cough*
It wasn't the cat's meow, but despite its quirks it could still be entertaining. But then again, I also really enjoyed Commandos: Strike Force, so what do I know. ;)
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xxxIndyxxx: I loved Rise of the Triad 2013. And I don't want every shooter to be a doom clone, I would be happy with one or two of those a year. Now we get 30 call of duty clones and that's about it. And once a year a game like metro and once a year a game that thinks it's old shool but really isn't.
Fair enough. Sorry if I was generalising. COD's formula seems to have over run the FPS market but I think's power is slipping. I still say that things are as bad as some say. Crisis can be huge fun, I adore the Bioshock games, Call of Juarez: Gunslinger is a total blast, Borderlands 2 certainly offers an intense challenge and while I haven't played them I've heard nothing but good things about Shadow Warrior 2013, Metro Last Light and Far Cry 3. And yes I liked Rise of the Triad 2013 quite a lot too. Not as much as the original but it was still very fun.
So The FPS genre maybe down but it's not out yet :)

I personally prefer the Serious Sam/Painkiller approach to the Doom/Quake one but maybe that's just me.
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xxxIndyxxx: I loved Rise of the Triad 2013. And I don't want every shooter to be a doom clone, I would be happy with one or two of those a year. Now we get 30 call of duty clones and that's about it. And once a year a game like metro and once a year a game that thinks it's old shool but really isn't.
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Johnmourby: Fair enough. Sorry if I was generalising. COD's formula seems to have over run the FPS market but I think's power is slipping. I still say that things are as bad as some say. Crisis can be huge fun, I adore the Bioshock games, Call of Juarez: Gunslinger is a total blast, Borderlands 2 certainly offers an intense challenge and while I haven't played them I've heard nothing but good things about Shadow Warrior 2013, Metro Last Light and Far Cry 3. And yes I liked Rise of the Triad 2013 quite a lot too. Not as much as the original but it was still very fun.
So The FPS genre maybe down but it's not out yet :)

I personally prefer the Serious Sam/Painkiller approach to the Doom/Quake one but maybe that's just me.
Yeah I actually also like the bioshock games. They are probably the most oldschool of all the modern AAA fps's even if they focus on story. Gunslinger was indeed amazing and if it had a less lineair level design it would have been the best shooter in years. I like Shadow Warrior but not as much a rise of the triad. But that's because I prefer the doom approach ;)
WW2 flooded the market for a while but now it's been a long time since I've seen a new one. Modern shooters don't come out as often as they use to but we still get them. Have you played Spec Ops: The Line?
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Johnmourby: .......
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xxxIndyxxx: Yeah I actually also like the bioshock games. They are probably the most oldschool of all the modern AAA fps's even if they focus on story. Gunslinger was indeed amazing and if it had a less lineair level design it would have been the best shooter in years. I like Shadow Warrior but not as much a rise of the triad. But that's because I prefer the doom approach ;)
Cool. We seem to be mostly in agreement. Here's to many great shooters of many types in the future! (To be honest this new COD looks like it could be quite interesting. Maybe that just because I'm a sucker for Kevin Spacey. I don't hate the series having only played the Original from 2000 but I know it's reputation).
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SpooferJahk: The trailer reminds of Crysis but with the radness sucked out.
You said it.

I think this is (obviously) the CoD series trying to cash in on Titan Fall's popularity. However, something I would like to see would be a shooter taking place in the far more common type of wars you have seen the past forty or so years. You know, the kind like the ones going on in places like Syria (not to comment on current events, it's just an example) where casualties in a single battle usually stay in the double digits. That way there could be a heavier emphasis on surviving and killing an enemy could actually mean something, just a thought.

Also, the game kinda looks like some interbred MW3/BO2/Ghosts bastard child. I haven't bought/owned a CoD game since 4 and the newest crop with MW2 on just makes me shake my head more each successive year (I am no worshiper of 4, I have some complaints about it as well).

No criticism or offense to any groups out there, but do all CoD characters look like rednecks anymore? Or, is it really just me. Also what's with all shooter trailers having that BVMP BVMP BVVVVMMMP noise?
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Elmofongo: Because honestly I am not feeling this futuristic warffare as much as the next guy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFu5qXMuaJU

My problem is that well with Modern Warfare and especially World War II (Vietnam included) is that everything has a personality, The guns, The Vehicles, The Setting of War, etc. But this Future-ish warfate looks so meh just one big grey of samey looking guns, ridicoulous looking vehicles and Robots that does not have the same personallity as famous Mecha from Mechwarrior.

I remember Kar98ks, M1 Garands, AK-47s, and M1911A1's more than I'll ever remember any futurist guns :P
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Johnmourby: I have to disagree with you 100% here.
There is a place in my heart for guns like the Flack Cannon, The AR 2, Prey's disgusting living weapons, The BFG 1000, Bioshock's Flamethrower, Low Wang's Railgun, Serious Sam's Cannon, Unreal 2's grenade launcher and The Flamewall that real guns used to kill real people can never touch.
I think your confusing

Realistic Futurist gun:
http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120930121616/callofduty/images/9/96/SMR_Menu_Icon_BOII.png

And Stylized Futuristic Weapon:
http://www.therpf.com/attachments/f9/blade-runner-blaster-news-model-kit-version-tomenosuke-blaster-coming-final-gun.jpg-241390d1381489926
ahh, COD. Well whether it's set in WW2, on Mars or in ancient Japan it'll be a hand-held, highly scripted and tactless affair.

I much prefer something like Far Cry 3, regardless of setting. Gimme a sandbox I can do FPS type things in, let me go about it how I want for as long as I want and I'm much happier than when I'm being herded down a corridor for 6 hours.
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Johnmourby: I have to disagree with you 100% here.
There is a place in my heart for guns like the Flack Cannon, The AR 2, Prey's disgusting living weapons, The BFG 1000, Bioshock's Flamethrower, Low Wang's Railgun, Serious Sam's Cannon, Unreal 2's grenade launcher and The Flamewall that real guns used to kill real people can never touch.
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Elmofongo: I think your confusing

Realistic Futurist gun:
http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120930121616/callofduty/images/9/96/SMR_Menu_Icon_BOII.png

And Stylized Futuristic Weapon:
http://www.therpf.com/attachments/f9/blade-runner-blaster-news-model-kit-version-tomenosuke-blaster-coming-final-gun.jpg-241390d1381489926
I'm not sure what you're getting at here. Where does one become the other? and why does it matter? Apart from it's secondary fire mode the AR 2 from Half-life 2 could easily be made for real. While not Sci-fi I also enjoyed Half-life's revolver and crossbow, Bioshock infinite's Hand Cannon, The Heavy's Machine gun, Call of Juarez's s Silver shotgun and the Flair gun from Blood. Non of which I think were recreations of real guns.
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Elmofongo: Because honestly I am not feeling this futuristic warffare as much as the next guy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFu5qXMuaJU

My problem is that well with Modern Warfare and especially World War II (Vietnam included) is that everything has a personality, The guns, The Vehicles, The Setting of War, etc. But this Future-ish warfate looks so meh just one big grey of samey looking guns, ridicoulous looking vehicles and Robots that does not have the same personallity as famous Mecha from Mechwarrior.

I remember Kar98ks, M1 Garands, AK-47s, and M1911A1's more than I'll ever remember any futurist guns :P
I agree...futuristic warfare in these games look so...corporate... I'd much rather be running around the jungles of Vietnam with the M-60(not in real life, of course).
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Elmofongo: Because honestly I am not feeling this futuristic warffare as much as the next guy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFu5qXMuaJU

My problem is that well with Modern Warfare and especially World War II (Vietnam included) is that everything has a personality, The guns, The Vehicles, The Setting of War, etc. But this Future-ish warfate looks so meh just one big grey of samey looking guns, ridicoulous looking vehicles and Robots that does not have the same personallity as famous Mecha from Mechwarrior.

I remember Kar98ks, M1 Garands, AK-47s, and M1911A1's more than I'll ever remember any futurist guns :P
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monkeydelarge: I agree...futuristic warfare in these games look so...corporate... I'd much rather be running around the jungles of Vietnam with the M-60(not in real life, of course).
And i already am going to miss classic modern guns like the M16, FAL, AUG,FAMAS,FN2000. MP5, P90, USP, etc.

They look more distinct and have their own peronallity than than realistic furturistic guns games like Titanfall, Black Ops 2, and 2142 ever has.
Post edited May 02, 2014 by Elmofongo
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tinyE:
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SCPM:
Okay, I hate you!

After your post I got to thinking, "Maybe I didn't give the game a fair shot." so I tracked down the freeware, installed, played for an hour and thought "This really isn't bad."

So you can guess what next. I tear apart my closet looking for my copy of H&D 2 which after the better part of an hour I finally found....I think....is it three disc?

Anyway I had hoped that this weekend I might go out and get a life but thanks to you I'm stuck here in the midst of a H&D binge! :P