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ovoon: Oh no sir, I will not fall for your adorable traps!
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Vitek: Edited again?

Please bear in mind you are not allowed to change even the smallest thing in your post as no one can't tell what have you changed.
Or if you PC is doing it itself repair it please.
I DIDNT DO IT I SWEAR! And how would my PC decide to just randomly edit my posts? I have no idea what is going on...
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GameRager: Ovoon - Not much to tell either way so far. But I doubt Mafia would want a player so eager to be modkilled in their ranks either.
Let's have a recap of ovoons contributions:
I have no suspicions as of now...

I honestly never double posted or edited. I swear. I only just now noticed.

Oh no sir, I will not fall for your adorable traps!
Vote Zchinque

I DIDNT DO IT I SWEAR! And how would my PC decide to just randomly edit my posts? I have no idea what is going on...
2/4 posts just stating they didn't edit their posts? The others being very short? This is pretty suspicious behaviour.

Yet GR doesn't find this suspicious in the slightest? That's pretty peculiar. The reason he gives even more so. First of all, the mafia don't get to choose their partners and nor would they know he might get modkilled. Sounds like inside information showing.. and to that effect:

Vote GameRager
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xyem: 2/4 posts just stating they didn't edit their posts? The others being very short? This is pretty suspicious behaviour.

Yet GR doesn't find this suspicious in the slightest? That's pretty peculiar. The reason he gives even more so. First of all, the mafia don't get to choose their partners and nor would they know he might get modkilled. Sounds like inside information showing.. and to that effect:

Vote GameRager
Ovoon doesn't post much for one, and so I don't have much to go on for now. The only possible "tell" being that OP keeps allowing Ovoon to do so without modkilling him, possibly leading to him being mafia and thus killing him off would unbalance/etc the game. But until I see more evidence to that effect I am unwilling to place him in the mafia pool as of yet.

As for the rest I find it odd you didn't mention my FoS of you in that same post. This makes me suspicious. Therefore Vote XYEM....die scum die!
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ovoon: I DIDNT DO IT I SWEAR! And how would my PC decide to just randomly edit my posts? I have no idea what is going on...
You quoted two people in your post. Did you reply to one, then immediately reply to the other straight afterwards? You need to leave at least 10 minutes between, or wait for someone else to post (whichever is sooner) before doing so; otherwise it'll become a post edit.
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GameRager: Ovoon doesn't post much for one, and so I don't have much to go on for now. The only possible "tell" being that OP keeps allowing Ovoon to do so without modkilling him, possibly leading to him being mafia and thus killing him off would unbalance/etc the game. But until I see more evidence to that effect I am unwilling to place him in the mafia pool as of yet.
If he mod-killed anyone it would "unbalance the game", rendering your reasoning moot. The "tell" is that he could be avoiding posting anything at length (or even about the game) to avoid saying something that would give him away. You are basically saying people who are contributing more than others are guilty, even though doing so increases the chance of them slipping up or saying something suspicious. You're just furthering my suspicion of you by ignoring the obvious.

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GameRager: As for the rest I find it odd you didn't mention my FoS of you in that same post. This makes me suspicious. Therefore Vote XYEM....die scum die!
That's because it was just a FoS with little reasoning behind it. I'll explain me "piling up on JoeSapphire" when someone else thinks that was what I was doing. Your retaliatory vote only adds to the suspicion as your "FoS/Non-FoS", despite this very early start, is split perfectly evenly and badly reasoned. It looks like you have just FoS'd all the townies and at the slightly "reason", voted for one.
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ovoon: I DIDNT DO IT I SWEAR! And how would my PC decide to just randomly edit my posts? I have no idea what is going on...
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nmillar: You quoted two people in your post. Did you reply to one, then immediately reply to the other straight afterwards? You need to leave at least 10 minutes between, or wait for someone else to post (whichever is sooner) before doing so; otherwise it'll become a post edit.
I only posted once. I have more common sense then to edit, requote, double post or do anything weird. All I did was say that one line and leave it. What is going on?!
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xyem: If he mod-killed anyone it would "unbalance the game", rendering your reasoning moot. The "tell" is that he could be avoiding posting anything at length (or even about the game) to avoid saying something that would give him away. You are basically saying people who are contributing more than others are guilty, even though doing so increases the chance of them slipping up or saying something suspicious. You're just furthering my suspicion of you by ignoring the obvious.

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That's because it was just a FoS with little reasoning behind it. I'll explain me "piling up on JoeSapphire" when someone else thinks that was what I was doing. Your retaliatory vote only adds to the suspicion as your "FoS/Non-FoS", despite this very early start, is split perfectly evenly and badly reasoned. It looks like you have just FoS'd all the townies and at the slightly "reason", voted for one.
Bah, if the game has fewer mafia than townies as I suspect based on reading as OP contemplated this game in the admin thread and the like, it would seem that modkilling a townie would make the game shorter but not unplayable. But modkilling a scum would possibly be very bad for the game's sustainability methinks.

And it's in HOW some have behaved that makes me suspect or not suspect someone....not in how much or little they post. To me one who posts little could be scum, but could also just feel not like posting much, so post frequency is not that relevant in my suspicions as such.

On the FoS, it seemed to me that you MIGHT be piling up on him....note that I said that at least
ONE piling on JoeSapphire might be scum...not necessarily all. But seeing how little you reacted little to my FoS of you and the others for piling on Joe it made me think you might have something to hide.....as you replied yet didn't mention it so that makes me more suspicious of you, and not more or less suspicious of the others voting for him as they haven't replied thus far. Thus to me it was clear who to vote for.

Ans badly reasoned? Can bad reason even be pinpointed at such an early stage? If anything your reasoning is just as bad as you claim mine to be. Thus my vote stays.
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GameRager: Bah, if the game has fewer mafia than townies as I suspect
As you suspect? Vitek explicitly stated (and linked to) the page with this games setup. Everyone should know how many mafia there are in this game.

How much or little someone posts is their behaviour. You are ignoring a vector of information and due to this, you are biasing your suspicion towards people who post more.

And you didn't say we might be piling up on him:
Also the ones piling on poor JoeSapphire
And if you read my posts to JoeSapphire, they consist of me defending myself against their suspicion and pointing out that technically, everyone is innocent until the end of day 1. If you find that me pointing out that no-one has killed anyone yet as piling up on someone.. more power to you.
as you replied yet didn't mention it so that makes me more suspicious of you, and not more or less suspicious of the others voting for him as they haven't replied thus far. Thus to me it was clear who to vote for.
Yes.. vote for the only person who has replied to you so far.. you know, instead of waiting to see what others have to say about anything. Again, focusing your attention on those who are posting and ignoring those who are not. You are only reinforcing the suspicion that you know who the mafia are.

My vote for you is because you are behaving in a way that implies you know who the mafia are. You are voting for me despite the fact that I'm the only one posting. No, my reasoning is not as bad as yours.
Poor Joe Sapphire... ¦D

Getting Rager's support, then having him also vote for Xyem put me all in a flutter. I was flattered, then I took a moment and thought. I thought;
"Hold on! We know the fable by Aesop of the Fox and the Hen. Beware False Flattery."
So I become suspicious. Suspicious enough to unvote? Perhaps.
In fact, it occurs to me now that I never felt Xyem was aggressive towards me in the slightest.
So I shall stick with the unvote.

I've tried to read as much as I can into all the other posts, my only comments are that Zchinique come across as reluctant to comment on the game as it currently stands (undeveloped as it it), and prefers to make general comments. Though no-one with so adorable a kitten could have possibly been randomly selected to fill in the role of villain in an online game!
Ovoon is thrown off by this unusual activity, but I suggest we try and ignore it for now and not let it get in the way of the game.

Finally, if it would please you Game Rager, *Joe Sapphire, tears in his eyes, hoisted the body of the town's beloved mayor onto his own desk, still covered in his last day's work, the frantic scribbles of a man fanatically devoted to the good of his people. The wood and body were soaked in parafin, and, as the flame from the candle caught, Joe pushed the makeshift raft out towards the center of the large lake that dominated the assembley chamber of the Town Hall for some reason. For a moment all fear and suspicion was forgotten, as he, and others, payed their respects to, and mourned the loss of, a great man.*
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GameRager: Bah, if the game has fewer mafia than townies as I suspect
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xyem: As you suspect? Vitek explicitly stated (and linked to) the page with this games setup. Everyone should know how many mafia there are in this game.

How much or little someone posts is their behaviour. You are ignoring a vector of information and due to this, you are biasing your suspicion towards people who post more.

And you didn't say we might be piling up on him:
Also the ones piling on poor JoeSapphire
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xyem: And if you read my posts to JoeSapphire, they consist of me defending myself against their suspicion and pointing out that technically, everyone is innocent until the end of day 1. If you find that me pointing out that no-one has killed anyone yet as piling up on someone.. more power to you.
as you replied yet didn't mention it so that makes me more suspicious of you, and not more or less suspicious of the others voting for him as they haven't replied thus far. Thus to me it was clear who to vote for.
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xyem: Yes.. vote for the only person who has replied to you so far.. you know, instead of waiting to see what others have to say about anything. Again, focusing your attention on those who are posting and ignoring those who are not. You are only reinforcing the suspicion that you know who the mafia are.

My vote for you is because you are behaving in a way that implies you know who the mafia are. You are voting for me despite the fact that I'm the only one posting. No, my reasoning is not as bad as yours.
1. By as I suspect I mean as I suspect what I read. My memory sucks sometimes, and I forget details on occasion. :\

Also you were the one who clearly alluded, directly or indirectly, that those posting less might be mafia and not those posting more in your last posts to me.

2. By piling up on I mean voting for. naturally.

3. I voted for you because I hadn't voted yet and at this stage not voting delays the end of the day and the entrance into a new day, and because of the way you responded. That's about it. You voting for JoeSapphire played a part in it, albeit jokingly I accused you at first, then it became more relevant to my suspicions/voting.

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Edit of sorts: Dammit you didn't vote for him. Now I feel like a dick. I told you I have bad memory and god did I screw the pooch on this one.

Unvote Xyem

I'm still watching you though. 0.o
Couple of things...

I would hardly call two votes 'piling on' - even though we have to be careful and its only 5 votes required for a lynch.

Reads so far...

Zchinque - town lean, trying to draw people out with votes, get reactions. Although the kitten posting could be an obvious misdirection post..;o)

xyem - lots of thought behind most posts, nice rebuttal of gamerager, but a couple of odd posts. leaning Town

gamerager - lots of 'flavour' in the posts, and indications of *still* not having read the rules and / or setup, it should be obvious how many mafia there are lad! Buut, that could be a ploy, wouldn't put it past him to play on his forum 'image' somewhat to confuse people. Neutral read so far.

ovoon - short posts, seems to have trouble with forum software. I believe none of the editing is deliberate, its too obvious. But that doesnt take away the fact the posts are a little too short - Mafia like to keep it short in case they let something slip. Leaning Mafia for that reason.

JoeSapphire - again , lots of 'flavour' posting - cant decide if its an attempt to inject some into the game, or a cover up for Mafia leanings. Seems to have a banter going with Gamerager. Was very quick to climb down when accused of being too 'hyper' - almost like 'ooops am i too obvious, quick turn it down'. Definitely leaning Mafia for me.

Thiev - Lurking. Theres a game maxim - 'lynch all lurkers'. Not many posts, and short ones at that. The play of town should be to bandy about theories, try to draw people out, make people defend themselves. Thats the only way we can get info. Staying quiet doesnt help and just makes you look guilty. However, Thiev isnt quite as bad as..

nmillar - Lurking. Not like you - you're usually quite vocal. You've made a few posts, but none of any substance at all. It wouldnt be a mafia game if I didnt suspect you at least a little bit...;o)

But both Lurkers so far pale into insignificance to Lurker extraordinaire..

Silver - a solitary one post. Is it Lurking, or do you not get much t'internet time? It only looks scummy, and will look more and more scummy the further on we get. As its a newbie game, some allowances can be made, but you have to join the party soon. What are your reads so far on people? Anyone posted anything you think suspicious? Currently number 2 suspect behind Joe,but with the condition it may just be newbie nerves or some other RL reason.

So there you go - pick the bones out of that. I think we're beyond RVS stage now, but my vote stays with JoeSapphire for now - been a little too keen early on, and then a little too quick to change tack.
I'm not sure what to make of people not posting. I know it seems like there isn't much to do at the start of the game but we seem to be picking up a bit here so there should be some stuff for you to comment on, even if you drive yourself EVER SO SLIGHTLY insane forcing-your-eyeballs-through-the-computer-screen trying to look for it. So lets hear all your wild theories you vow of silenced!

Having read day one of the second game I am unsure why I was called upon to do so? Is it because you felt you played too strongly at the beginning of that game and reckon you attracted unwanted attention, so you're trying a different style in this game? OR is it that you are saying I should read your arguments from that game and apply them to this? OR are you advising that I act different to how you did in that game? OR are you drawing comparison between my hilarious "Don Glorio" gag and Millar accusing you of being in cahoots with someone for telling them not to votenovote?

Could you explain to me the term "'flavour' posting"? Do you mean just role playing or do you mean the signifiers of what has been regrettably dubbed "Hyper-Mode"?
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JoeSapphire: I'm not sure what to make of people not posting. I know it seems like there isn't much to do at the start of the game but we seem to be picking up a bit here so there should be some stuff for you to comment on, even if you drive yourself EVER SO SLIGHTLY insane forcing-your-eyeballs-through-the-computer-screen trying to look for it. So lets hear all your wild theories you vow of silenced!

Having read day one of the second game I am unsure why I was called upon to do so? Is it because you felt you played too strongly at the beginning of that game and reckon you attracted unwanted attention, so you're trying a different style in this game? OR is it that you are saying I should read your arguments from that game and apply them to this? OR are you advising that I act different to how you did in that game? OR are you drawing comparison between my hilarious "Don Glorio" gag and Millar accusing you of being in cahoots with someone for telling them not to votenovote?

Could you explain to me the term "'flavour' posting"? Do you mean just role playing or do you mean the signifiers of what has been regrettably dubbed "Hyper-Mode"?
I can't answer the other bits , as i dont think they were aimed at me, but...

'flavour' post - this, lifted directly from post 84...

Finally, if it would please you Game Rager, *Joe Sapphire, tears in his eyes, hoisted the body of the town's beloved mayor onto his own desk, still covered in his last day's work, the frantic scribbles of a man fanatically devoted to the good of his people. The wood and body were soaked in parafin, and, as the flame from the candle caught, Joe pushed the makeshift raft out towards the center of the large lake that dominated the assembley chamber of the Town Hall for some reason. For a moment all fear and suspicion was forgotten, as he, and others, payed their respects to, and mourned the loss of, a great man.*

yes, it adds to the feel of the game, but doesnt help anyone. Meh, I'm being a bit picky really.....its not all that bad. but it invites questions - you knew about a lake in town? Town hall? was the mayor a great man? How do you know that? He might have been an arse....!'

You see where I'm going? Probably all pointless useless questions, but can we be 100% sure in a game of Mafia? No we cant..;o)
Meh more flavor I say........it adds to the tapestry that is our lives in these days of our lives of all my children.
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GameRager: ]Ovoon doesn't post much for one, and so I don't have much to go on for now. The only possible "tell" being that OP keeps allowing Ovoon to do so without modkilling him, possibly leading to him being mafia and thus killing him off would unbalance/etc the game. But until I see more evidence to that effect I am unwilling to place him in the mafia pool as of yet.
Xyem is right.
I am treating everyone the same way regardless their role and I don't intend to kill anyone unless absolutely necessary.

@Robbeasy
No, town mayor was friendly person liked by all good people of Middle-Earth. :-P