It wouldn't hurt if you used your brain cells as well, nmillar. I was not suggesting that at all.

And well, QA, I was serious when I said I wanted to hear from Violator. That chance is gone now. But his silence is good enough for me.

unvote
vote ViolatorX

Yeah, I realised after I posted, and combined with Quad's post above, it's now pretty obvious that Robbeasy and ViolatorX are the mafia.

Vote ViolatorX.

Very well, then - all things considered, there's nothing more to add apart from:

Unvote.
Vote ViolatorX.

Some of us sadly have to work a lot of long hours( also on19 days straight atm) Sob story over....

I was just waiting for two things...

I being the first person to claim Vanilla Townie long before this rather poorly attempted trap was reading to see what others responses were as joes baiting seemed like he was dreaming of a resolution to our problem.

I like how Baz in post 500 noticebly omits me from his list of whos claimed and is asking me to throw my cards in which are already on the table? seems rather careless and suspicious if anything as you cant read backwards in the thread seemingly I claimed in post 428.

Plus the two people I suspect are mafia BOTH vote for me one right after the other based on the same foundation and seem to be targeting me after I targeted them at the start of the day..

Like Baz said in 498 theres no victory without risk indeed afterall and youve both done a great job in outing yourselves in such a manner makes sense to launch an attack when your partners l-2

My vote stands unless people think Baz is the more likely a suspect we have our two mafia right here.

NO!

I am not happy with how this has turned out. Yeah as you can see here I already quoted my name before I started this thing.
So you can be pretty confident that Quadralien and I are town.
Bazilisek is looks alright - I'ld like to know what it was that he was doing, that he refers to in the post 510.

What I REALLY wanted to know was, would NMillar have been able to say our name? If he couldn't then it would be obvious he was mafia and THEN we were to lynch him.

If he could then he would be the person we were certain of to be town, rather than QuadrAlien.

Obviously that won't work anymore so we're still unsure as where to put NMillar. His most recent behavior makes me more suspicious still.
Disappearing while I'm putting pressure on him, to return half an hour after the pressure's off, CLAMOURING for a lynch! It seems like he's lost his cool.

NOTHING HE HAS SAID is solid proof of his alignment.

Putting someone at one lynch away from death is madness when one wrong kill means game over. Quadralien please remove your vote incase ViolatorX is town and Robbeasy is the final mafia!


Hmm... I write all that to read "this rather poorly attempted trap"...

my pride is hurt but still we have to be more cautious!

I saw right through the plan you just have to look at it on both sides of the fence how do you think they are going to react? but I guess it worked as uve rattled the two people I think are the mafia.

So That paragraph is basically the same principle, If your a Vanilla Townie you'll know what I mean by that statement in 529 without direct quotation of the pm.

Could I ask everybody, what part of the plan was it that you all saw through? Was it just too obvious that Vitek wouldn't have misspelled Vanilla? Or was it too obvious that I'll already breadcrumbed (or just signposted) the actual name into my post already?

Also I promised Vitek that I would apologise for slandering him. He did not misspell Vanilla! All messages I have recieved from him have been beautifully crafted.

Yes, as a trap, it was very obvious. Which is why I decided to spring it and try to spin it into something else. And it almost worked, too.

And yeah,

unvote

Let's do a recap of what happened, shall we? This experiment has been a goldmine of data, and really should be reread carefully.

#503: Joe lays down the trap. All of townies presumably check their PMs. For 15+ hours, nothing happens.
#504: I decide to bite. There still is the possibility that Joe is mafia trying a complicated bluff, even though it's fairly unlikely (also he did call himself a "Vanilla Townie" previously.
#506: The "nudge, nudge, wink, wink" from me translates (rather obviously, I should think) to "as you can see, I know what you are doing, Joe: I am a Vanilla Townie too".
#509, 511: Joe wants to close down the experiment, which would be most unfortunate. In #510, I'm trying to stop him from doing that, as this thing has a big potential of clearing more persons than just me or Joe. At this point, it is becoming extremely unlikely Joe is anything but a Vanilla Townie. Two players more or less confirmed.
#513: nmillar chimes in; go and read the exact wording. His statements swing towards him being town, but a smart mafia could come up with something like this.
#518: QuadrAlien's wording, on the other hand, suggests he knows what is going on. Leaning town.
#519: Robbeasy. His only post regarding this experiment, and completely refusing to commit to anything. Quite a scumtell there!
#524: QuadrAlien confirms himself.

All in all, we have Joe, me and QA who are most likely town, with a fairly remote chance of being unusually clever/reckless scum.
We also have nmillar who is leaning town, but could have faked it relatively easily.
Then there is Rob who is quite obviously the major suspect right now.
And Violator... unfortunately, we don't know anything new about him at all. The voting pressure didn't seem to shake him much, either. He can wait for another day.

I know I've been overdoing it with the hopping frog lately, but here goes:

vote Robbeasy

Woah there people - just stop a minute and think, there's railroading going on here!!

The trap, as has been pointed out by others, wasn't the greatest in the world - I saw through it but didnt contribute as i said because I was sort of hoping someone else might not have twigged and dropped themselves in it - I didnt for a second contemplate that a 'no comment' would be taken as indication of guilt!!

Just take a step back before you all go rushing in and look at what happened. First off, i agree that Joes ploy does paint him as town - I cant see how a Mafia could come up with such an attempt and make it stick, so

Unvote Joe

Whats interesting for me is how quickly people want to get a lynch done - we're at LYLO here you know! Theres a deadline set yes, but it dont mean we got to get it doe immediately!

In fact, I think the Mafia are using the fact of a deadline set, and the Joe 'trap', to whip up the
pressure and try to force a quick lynch through. They tried it on Violator and got to L-1, but Joe voiced caution there as well (another reason I see him as Town now). They have seen thats not worked, so jumped on the other 'suspect' from their witch-hunt - me.

I'm with Violator on this - and Joes original response to his 'trap' - nmillar is the most likely suspect, with either Baz or Quad as accomplice. Joe himself said nmillars response was the most suspicious, (Joe - you are aware that just because someone claims, it doesnt necessarily make them Town? Your post 523 - 'lynch nmillar unless he claims' suggests you dont?), The lynch mob was quickly formed on Violator, with no further though given.

I think nmillar has finally pushed it too far, too fast.

vote nmillar

Seriously, Rob? Me or Quad? What sort of an alternate dimension do you live in?

I am leaning towards Quad a lot more than you , to be honest - one of you is accomplice, the other has just been pulled into the screaming, pitch-fork wielding mob....;o)

I'm no mob; I just fall back to my tried and tested strategy: when in doubt, vote for Robbeasy.

Seriously, though, you're not really helping yourself. The time limit is near, and at this stage, I'm willing to bet all in against you, as it were.

Not helping myself?

You're making the mistake that is made most often by people playing this game - just going on the latest theory, the latest 'info' and not considering the rest of the game at all. That is the other reason I think its nmillar. I have suspected him from early on and he never moved far from the top of the pile. Granted I though Joe was the man at one point, but his 'trap' surely couldnt have been thought up and executed by a Mafia - if it is, then I salute him as a fantastic player and we have a new Mafia-playing superstar in our midst!!

Going back to his 'trap' - you going to risk all because I neglected to claim?? I DID post that i was keeping a close eye on proceedings, I honestly thought it was too obvious to be taken seriously, which is why I didnt feel the need to 'clear' myself, but I was also holding off in the faint hope that someone else may just put a foot wrong. Risking all on that - already pointed out weak 'trap' - is senseless.

I really do urge you to think very carefully and go back over ALL days posts - I personally think theres a lot more weight to other happenings on past days. just for a simple example - nmillar dropping hammer on two days. Always has and always will be a scumtell, but glibly explained away as 'oh I always do this' - and we all just accepted it without a second thought.

Nope - I'm sorry. I can see how my post doesnt paint me in the greatest of lights, but it wasn't meant like that - i really didnt think it was taken seriously, and I was waiting for Everyone else to react first, to best gauge who was Mafia. Fools rush in and all that.

Now I suppose the old 'methinks you protest too much - you must be scum!' will be trotted out - all I can say to that is I'm damned if the mis-lynch of me ends the game with a win for the Mafia , and I will fight tooth and nail to make sure that doesn't happen. I've won a few and lost a few in Mafia games, but never been the reason / last man out. I dont intend to be now.

In most cases, I would agree with you. The thing is, I did not read this game before I joined -- which was at the start of this day, remember. And when I joined, I read everything in one go, so my memories of the previous days are perhaps better than average. And let me tell you, in this game, the early days are dull as dishwater. There's very little of value in this thread until about night 2.
Agree.
I'm not buying that. By the time you posted, there was basically no chance of putting in a foot wrong. The trap was uncovered and out in the open, and it would take a complete idiot to be caught in it. I don't think anyone playing this game is an idiot.
My very first vote in this game was for nmillar (#415) and gave precisely that as a reason. It's not my fault that no one joined me (by the way including yourself, Rob).
Let me remind you that by the time you posted, we had heard from everyone except you and ViolatorX.
Actually, you have, in M3. And it was chiefly me who was responsible for that. The irony is delicious, I know.