What's wrong with Alienware? I know nothing about laptops so please forgive me.

I see your point.

Imho, gaming laptops have are somewhat of an heresy. There is nothing worse for a laptop than heat. And high end cpu's and gpu's like nothing better than to heat .Plus they come with nice shiny gadgets you don't need, you pay a hefty price for and are prone to fail because the manufacturer tends to aim at big margins on these.
If had to chose one, I would go for something with a medium range cpu and gpu ( 765M rather than those 770/780 )

I once had an Asus ROG (i5 1st generation, nvidia 360M) . I have not been fully happy with it. The usb ports died one by one , the battery had to be replace soon after the expiry of the warranty and the like.
I now have a MSI, altough not a gaming laptop (at all) . The build quality is acceptable.

Dell.

Ok, I guess it depends if the OP is considering e.g. replacing the GPUs or CPUs in the future on his laptop. If not, I presume that e.g. fact that they are soldered components has no significance to him, just like it doesn't to me.

(As it happens, wasn't Intel in the process of making even its desktop CPUs to be soldered on the motherboard, ie. even desktop users won't be able to just swap Intel CPUs on the fly from the motherboards in the future?)

I'm unsure if the Clevo/Origin/Sager, or even Alienware, products are even sold here. I think I sometimes looked for some from some online store abroad, and it seemed it would have cost much more to me than ASUS G75VW did (ie. up to several thousand euros, instead of the 1399€ I paid for G75VW a year ago), and it would be even bigger and more massive than G75VW, which I already consider quite monstrous.

E.g., I think G75VW weights around 4.5 kg or thereabouts which feels quite a lot if you want to carry it around often, and some Clevo laptop I checked from their homepage was 5.5 kg, ie. considerably more.

Not sure why the OP didn't want to hear about Alienware then. Earlier I had the impression that they were more like desktop PC technology in a "laptop" case, which also explained why they had so powerful and noisy ventilation, and poor battery duration (which I personally don't care about with gaming laptops, as I probably wouldn't game much on them with the battery alone; but still, G75VW still seems to offer ok battery life, when I've occasionally used it with that).

But I'm just talking out of my ass here, I haven't used Alienware or Clevo myself, only read about them.

No gaming laptop discussion without the naysayers, who want to convert people back to desktop gamers. :)

I haven't had overheating issues so far with ASUS G75VW, one year in active gaming (and other) use.

Mobile GPUs are less powerful than desktop GPUs, yes, but that is an irrelevant piece of information, if one wants a gaming laptop, and not a gaming desktop.

Just staring blindly at notebookcheck benchmarks at Ultra settings doesn't necessarily tell the whole truth, unless you really definitely want to always run everything at max settings >60fps, even if it is some feature which offers only a very tiny visual improvement for a massive hit on framerates. Especially if you are looking only at the numbers what is the lowest framerate for the given game at any point, if the rest 99% of the game runs considerably smoother.

I think that was the reason why I've been so positively surprised by even the HP non-gaming laptop, as according to those notebookcheck benchmarks it should be pretty much useless to anything even remotely modern gaming, and it turned out to be something else. But no, I didn't try to run games at 1920x1080 on it, mainly because its native resolution is lower, 1366x768. :)

That is true, and one has to think what other purposes the laptop will have. I didn't buy a gaming laptop in order to take it out from the backpack during a 15 min bus trip (I'd say tablets or smartphones are more suitable for that kind of mobile use than laptops anyway), but to be able to easily move it to e.g. summer cottage or abroad with me if I go there for a longer time, or even if I need to move it around pretty easily around my home. And even a big laptop certainly allows all those things much easier than a desktop ever would, even if it weights 5 kg.

For me the main problem with a 17" G75VW was finding a backpack big enoug to hold it. But after I found one, I've had no problem taking it with me for longer trips.

Yet, I have no such problem with ASUS G75VW, but then it has received lots of praise for its ventilation system, which even keeps its fan volume level on quite bearable levels. In fact, even in full stress the G75VW fan noise is less annoying to me than the fan noise coming from a <span class="bold">Belkin laptop cooler pad</span> I bought sometime in the past (not for G75VW, but my 8 years old small laptop which started having real overheating problems, due to the fan eventually failing).

I have seen some other laptops, which incidentally were cheaper non-gaming laptops, which do indeed heat the keyboard or the wrist-rest the way you describe (especially with one cheapo eMachines laptop it is quite noticeable). On G75VW, the keyboard appears to stay cool even during gaming, and even considering I've filled both HDD bays inside it, so they also produce maximum amount of heat (and I have two HDDs, not SSDs which I presume would run cooler).

I'm really satisfied about my Asus N53-SV. It's a pretty dated machine considering but it sports a nice Nvidea Geforce GT540M card and it has a rad Core I7. I run stuff like BIoshock Infinite with no problems!

I'll probably get people facepalming and not taking me seriously after this post, lol. But when I do choose the laptop I want, first thing I'm doing is taking Windows off and putting on Arch Linux along with Steam for Linux. :)

Do you expect us to facepalm at 'arch linux' or 'steam' ?

I facepalm (gently) for you not taking us seriously enough to take you seriously.

Linux. A lot of people think Linux gaming is irrelevant and make jokes about it, lol. Oh! And I'd take GOG over Steam any day! Just waiting on them to support Linux.

They're an uglier and more-expensive version of the Dell XPS lineup. If you like the specs of an Alienware, just go configure a similar XPS - I've had a good experience with the three higher-end Dell laptops I've owned over the past ten years - all with discrete graphics - and that's using them in dusty environments from 40 degrees F up to about 110F or so on occasion, and with a lot of bumping around in my roller bag.