Posted November 28, 2021
I'm just wondering what dungeons in Western RPGs are most infamous for being bad, frustrating, unfair, or just generally awful dungeons.
A couple criteria:
* The dungeon needs to be from a game that's recognizably a WRPG, not a JRPG, and not a roguelike. (So, Dragon Quest 2's Cave to Rhone, as infamous as that dungeon is, would not qualify because it's from a JRPG.)
* The dungeon should not be that I call a "megadungeon", though a significant portion of such a megadungeon could qualify as a dungeon in its own right. (A "megadungeon" is one that takes up the majority of the game or close to it. Wizardry 1's dungeon would be an example of this, as would be the one that makes up the entirety of Ultima Underworld. Something like Baldur's Gate 2's Spellhold would not be a megadungeon, as it's only one chapter of a game that has something like 7 or 8 chapters (and Irenicus's Dungeon wouldn't be a megadungeon either).)
The idea for this topic came because I heard about the final dungeon in Pathfinder: Kingmaker, and how obnoxious and unfair that dungeon is, and, as I lack experience with (non-ancient) WRPGs, I'm wondering what other notorious dungeons have shown up in WRPGs.
Edit: Why the low rating?
A couple criteria:
* The dungeon needs to be from a game that's recognizably a WRPG, not a JRPG, and not a roguelike. (So, Dragon Quest 2's Cave to Rhone, as infamous as that dungeon is, would not qualify because it's from a JRPG.)
* The dungeon should not be that I call a "megadungeon", though a significant portion of such a megadungeon could qualify as a dungeon in its own right. (A "megadungeon" is one that takes up the majority of the game or close to it. Wizardry 1's dungeon would be an example of this, as would be the one that makes up the entirety of Ultima Underworld. Something like Baldur's Gate 2's Spellhold would not be a megadungeon, as it's only one chapter of a game that has something like 7 or 8 chapters (and Irenicus's Dungeon wouldn't be a megadungeon either).)
The idea for this topic came because I heard about the final dungeon in Pathfinder: Kingmaker, and how obnoxious and unfair that dungeon is, and, as I lack experience with (non-ancient) WRPGs, I'm wondering what other notorious dungeons have shown up in WRPGs.
Edit: Why the low rating?
Post edited November 30, 2021 by dtgreene