Lovely, very!

However if more developers take less advantage of Linux's openness by DRM'ing their content and locking their source codes, there might be as well less incentive to use Linux, might as well go with Windows instead for it supports more at the price of being a comparatively less open OS. So while you get more content, you'll also lose an important point about Linux, and things are heading that way, anyways.

Oh. I really really REALLY forgot that I asked this question to a Linux user primarly. My bad.

However, not all tools saw the light on Linux, including popular ones that call for 'make it or break it' situations. The tools that are made with money in mind.

However, almost all of the aforementioned companies have did things that should be seen as nasty. Oh more so especially Apple. But what I see is still a lot of people lining up for Apple products as if what they did yesterday was nothing. Like I always mention, if Apple made a direct copy paste of the Windows 8/10 interface (the Modern UI), everyone would foam at their mouth, because there is a shiny Apple logo on top of it. But because it's Microsoft, everyone hates it, that's the big deal.

I'm not sure if Windows 10 is being shoved down your throat as a Linux user, who according to yourself, haven't used Windows for years now. What I do know however is that Windows 10 is either an accept it or refuse it deal, as evidenced by my mom's Windows 8.1 laptop and the PC running Windows 8.1 still being on Windows 8.1 with only the GWX icon sitting in the taskbar, nothing more. The offer is about to close anyways.

So do I. That or having an installer to automate the sideload, which would be commonplace if developers were to seriously use it without going the Windows Store method.

I'll be seeing you soon as well!

Hey guys. I'm about half way through the UWP presentation for build (from yesterday)

https://channel9.msdn.com/Events/Build/2016/B809

Lots of information there.

So far I've found these interesting points

*** This is based on my memory while listening to the presentation. I didn't think about this thread until about halfway through the video...

1. Modern Installer for desktop apps - New software for the UWP that is a double-click installer for appx. This means you as a developer can package your app up and distribute it as a download, no "enable developer mode" required for people to install.

2. Project Centennial allows developers to package up and deploy their existing Win32 app/game to the UWP platform. (with hopefully no changes if your app generally behaves well) This means that you can build out standard Win32 executables for distribution like over steam, or gog, and build out the Modern Installer/appx files for the Windows Store/Your own store/Website whatever for a UWP app at the same time.

3. For win32 programs that are converted, you can build bridges to UWP that enable interaction between the original win32 app and the Windows 10 features like Action Center, Cortana, Live tiles, etc...

4. Modern installer apps can be auto updating

5. Modern installer apps don't use the registry (no more reg bloat), all files installed into a single directory (no more scattered files) and so are user files (mods, whatever) and part of the uninstall process is just as simple as deleting the app directory. No more uninstall wizardry (as the presenter said referring to old MSI/installers, "uninstalling an app was an art in itself")

6. Apps installed by Modern installer must run as the user. You (as the user) can elevate it if need be. No driver installs, no NT services.

7. Modern installer will be extensible

8. Some neat cross-device communication stuff. One thing I noticed was something called "launch URI" that lets you launch something from one device to the other (like on my phone if I get a link from a friend in email, I can click that link and have it run my game on the desktop and join up into his server or something like that..)

EDIT

9. They just talked about extensibility for your app. The best analogy is something like the Steam Workshop but for UWP apps. Distributable via the store or your own mechanism. Charge money or make it free. Your choices.

What's controversial about Microsoft once again trying to shove something down everyone's collective throats?

just leaving this "great" news here

Halo 5: Forge and Forza Horizon 3 are the first games encrypted with Microsoft’s new secure appx format

This is no different to Desura or Steam's ineffective CEG and the direction most of the AAA industry has been heading for years.

Universal Apps have their disadvantages, and right now I'd prefer to have win32 over an App. However I remember when running via DOS was better than Win95, when glide and openGL was better than DirectX, when previous versions of Direct X where better than the next version.

Universal Apps will get better and better supported. Right now I welcome that fugly mobile app store that Microsoft have dropped on us, because right now for DRM enabled games its the only possible compeditor VALVe will ever see.

Excellent.
No wonder why piracy was always the king.

Allow me to post two quotes from said article, without any other context.

Why do you still like the Windows store? I know you don't like valve and all, but if the windows store becomes too big and successful, while still being closed (As in not win32.), MS could make windows a closed platform (I personally think that this is unlikely but still possible.). This would not only kill Steam, but every other digital distribution platform including GoG. This would be a terrible thing for everyone in PC gaming.

EDIT: Unless your supporting them in the hope that they will make the apps from the Windows store win32 eventually, which is extremely unlikely IMO even though it would be a good thing. Also, I don't think that these apps will ever become better than win32 short of becoming it.

Because the same license can be used by 2 people on different computers at the same time. And because it could become something worthy.

the whole problem is, despite any so called benefit, people should be given choice and alternative and it should not be forced upon everyone as a whole

TRUE, most people are IT-Tech dumb AND also don't even want to bother learning a few basic hygiena stuff to ease their days with their machine. For those people to get patronized, nurtured, materned, kept by the hand like kids by microsoft and developers is surely a "most wanted feature", as they already crave for this lack of responsability/worries on their digital slate or their phone

OK, but there are many users that didnt just sat lazyly there, opening mouth to get fed, and made the minimum effort to become at least knowledgable users, even if not "experienced"/power ones.

And for all those slightly above average users (and everyother further into it), there is no reason to suddenly infantilize them and treat them as clueless kids "ok daddy is bgack in charge now, don't touch anything anymore" !
Sorry, i am 4 decades old and i don't like to be treated like a child on behalf of my neighbors !

So there may be truth both in pro-UWP and anti-UWP at same time, it just depend from your perspective...

afaic, i am really not satisfied of whatever microsoft claims to "offer" me with its new w10 and UWM/UWA stuff; i used to do their work myself on that matter since a decade ago before they ever bothered to adress these issues thanx you. Don't need the cavalry now, it's too late, i got used to fight without their cavalry.

Once again, your missing the point.

I don't like the Windows Store. It's a horrible mess of a mobile app store, completely unsuited for desktop use.

What I do like is choice. I like the power choice gives, choice is very powerful. Do you think for one iota Microsoft would have back tracked on wiping out the second hand console market if there was no PlayStation for people to choose instead?

I don't think a successful WinStore will start using win32. It will have better a UWP and better UWP Apps though.

UWP will either improve and become part of the windows ecosystem, or die away. Just because its not great yet, doesn't mean it can't be. Also unless I've missed something an UWP App doesn't have to come from the windows store.

Choice, means WinStore must offer something Steam doesn't. Which it does, concurrent use.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgFbqSYdNK4
this one is old but still painfully relevant regarding the topic here

Also uwp can directly, or indirectly (and maybe purposefully) lead to censorship (the money kind of censorship) with "entry ticket" for UWP platform obviously excluding many legitimate, harmless and useful open source projects which won't be able to afford their entry to this ecosystem

So for people who like "choice" ? sorry to shatter your dream, but microsoft actual path (and as it always had been) tend towards reducing the "choice" and taking it in hostage, or taking the choice from you (as we all know we are supposed to be clueless about choosing anything without big daddy holding our hand) and choosing FOR YOU instead.

Sorry, i don't fancy this road...

You seem to be missing at least part of mine too. What I was saying was that if (And it's a big if, I think it's unlikely.) the Windows store gets big enough, sucessful enough and attracts enough devs and publishers, MS may remove that choice which everyone, including me and you, at least on Windows. I hope that the windows store improves though, don't get me wrong. As for having UWP apps outside the win store, I don't know if that is possible, I assumed not.

Firstly UWP apps can be side loaded.

Secondly. Walk into any Government Office in any country and say "What is Microsoft?" and they'll tell you. If UWP apps ever become the defacto standard Microsoft will never be allowed to be the only store to be able to sell them.

MS is a huge monopoly, it is regulated and monitored. These doomsday scenarios you speak of will not be allowed to happen.

As for MS taking choice away, VALVe already did that.

then explain me what i'm doing here on this website, and why i ever give up playing some games for up to 1 full year or so just so i will get it here instead (dying light) ?