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You know one my biggest regrets ever, was defending that thread, I wish I never did that.

Rrriiiggghhhtttt....

Then you aren't paying attention.

With David Hoggwash? Nah. He can't even keep his story straight if he was at the shooting or he had to rush there on his bike. Quite a conundrum, that shootings happen at gun-free zones, but the town where every household is required to own at least one gun, crime is 75% lower than the rest of the country. How strange....

That isn't how things would go down. The first step in any tyrannical government is to disarm the population so they can't fight back.

This part of history has been repeated multiple times.

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What now, more conspiracy nonsense, parrotted brainwash excrement about statistically irrelevant paper towns to reinforce all that gun nutter nonsense that you impotently fired off before? Come on, we've been there, how can you even try that shit on me? What's next in store for people who haven't had the same discussion countless times before, the Nazi gun control theory? Complete with Hitler quote that he never said? I need so much more coffee before I can keep my eyes open reading that level of regurgitated tomfooleries. US gun nuts have been collecting weapons of mass killing just in case their government gets tyrannical, but now that they have a tyrannical government, they have to make up a fictitious alternate conspiracy theory government called the "Deep State" that they're saving their bullets for.

Apparently you have no idea how fascism starts and how it is enforced. That's a really big black hole in your education, and you should fix it while explicitly avoiding your usual sources. Fresh out is Madeleine Albright's book on the topic, I guess you can do nothing wrong with that (I know, I know, you'll miss the constant screaming and the reddening, ballooning face). Hint: Arming the population can be a way to fascism just as well. Hint II: You could arm those saps to the teeth, then make up crazy propaganda shit about your declared enemies and send the saps to the diverse pizza parlours of their whereabouts.

And of course you couldn't post without smearing the Parkland activists. That is so cheap and old and always, always backfires, a lesson that your peers are slowly even learning. If you had actually been "listening", you'd know that the "Hogg wasn't even there" shit has been debunked weeks ago, and all the abject sources have issued half assed apologies for their detestable shit. These kids are the only voice of reason that you have left. They deal with PTSD, and I have an inkling how that feels, and my heart goes out to them for their courage to go out and spread the word, stand up for their right to live and for the memory of their classmates. They had the five minutes of fame that the media granted them, but as long as kids are mowed down in their schools in the US, a new wave of protesters will come, and this first wave already yielded incredible results given the NRA's firm lobbying grip around your politicians' balls. From now on, at least some of those victims WILL make a difference, and change for the better WILL occur.

It's the only kind of American spirit that at the time is still worth a flying fuck.

You remain blind to actual fascism, to actual corruption, to actual constitutional violations, and it's not a blissful ignorance. It makes you raging mad. The kids who ask to not be shot make you raging mad. That's just sad.

You have an incredible courageous youth there, man. If you're not proud of them, I will be. And envious.

Just trying to put the train back on the rails.

What is this "deep state" ? I have hard about this from a couple of places like 4chan /pol/ but when I ask about it, I get a "fuck off shill/jew" answer...

I kind of take offense to "gun nut" are you implying that anyone who owns a gun (like I do, I own a 12 gauge shotgun I use for hunting) is a gun nut? could you clairfiy?

The two of you might want to book a flight to China one of these days and see the day-to-day reality of the Chinese people for yourselves, before you regurgitate the blatant propaganda you've been spoonfed. I'm sure you will be surprised at how the 21st century is already a reality in another part of the world. Of course, "independent" western media doesn't want you to know about that.

If you were to see how well other countries are doing, you might start asking some very hard questions about your own countries.

^^^ so much this, not specifically about China, its universal method to catch untruths -> get as close to the source as possible.

Unfortunately, it may lead to opinion that whole world is made of different shades of crap. :(

Well, my parents went there.
The big cities were rich and civilized as you said, but the countryside was very poor.
The villages were small, with sheds and houses made of mud and without any services.. it looked like the worst areas of my country 50 years ago.
Obviously they managed to see only a fraction of such vast territory, but still..

And about the supposed (international and intercontinental!) propaganda, what would even be the point of it?
If only China allowed free press, everyone would be able to witness the real state of the country.. but no, for "some" reason.

Btw, the best dictatorship proof is if you (or anyone else) can openly criticize (in a civil manner) for a while the government and never get in trouble.
I can freely do it, can you do it?

Nevermind, I musn't let myself be drawn into this shit.

Some expat acquaintance of mine had the very bright idea to post a picture of tank man on his WeChat newsfeed, combined with something along the lines of "We will never forget". That post did get taken down, but that was the end of it.

The police didn't come knocking at his door, he wasn't arrested, he wasn't jailed, his visa wasn't revoked. Contrast that with some of the recent stories about people in Europe getting arrested and jailed for "hate speech", and I'd say the Chinese authorities are surprisingly lenient towards shitposting on social media.

Ok, could he do that again without fear for a month? I doubt it.
I could do it, instead, without any repercussions (not even removal).
The government wouldn't even care, because there's free speech here.
The same is valid for many citizen in most EU and USA.

Here you're comparing a picture about a pacific protest in Tiananmen Square (suppressed by force by the government and then censored everywhere in China) to extremists who repeatedly and publicly menaced other people or praised their deaths (usually minorities or adversaries).
If you're referring to UK's law on the matter, however, that seems exaggerated also to me. Some of those arrested people seem just a**holes, not dangerous criminals, and deserve a fine at worst, not jail.

Get out of there before it's too late. The people in that forum are not just raving crazy, they also have the empathy of serial killers. The "deep state" is the fucked up conspiracy theory that the Obama administration has never stopped running the USA and is secretly driving the country into chaos and demise, which of course prompts a violent response from upstanding citizens. In other words, whatever shit Trump runs into the ground, these people think that in reality it was the secret government of Obama, Clinton & Cie.

I am not shitting you. They really think that.

The theory has recently fueled a narrative called "The Storm", a full fledged science fiction alternate history of the present that makes Trump the secret saviour of hundreds of abused children and supreme victor over any and all of his enemies. And even some right-wing celebrities, like Roseanne Barr and Steven Seagal, actually do believe that. It's horrific.

I will clarify. If a person buys or otherwise acquires a weapon of mass killing for private use, a weapon solely designed to kill as many humans in as little time as humanly possible, I think that person has a horrific psychological problem. If a US citizen knows his constitution and its amendments so poorly that he believes the founding fathers guaranteed him the unregistered possession of an assault rifle, openly insinuates he would shoot at authorities should they come to collect the damn thing, and still believes he's the "good guy with a gun" that the NRA foretold, I think that person has an alarming mental illness.

If people attack the youth in the USA for demanding reasonable, common-sense gun laws, just baby steps towards a way better future; if people keep insinuating the activists want to repeal the second amendment (which they don't, as it's completely unneccessary to do that for common sense gun laws to come into effect); if people make up crazy shit about the Parkland kids being actors or not having been at their school when the shooter came along; if people use every dishonest measure to smear these courageous young American heroes who have been through hell; and if people ruthlessly paint even more targets on the backs of victims of gun violence: Those are the gun nuts, and I have no other name for them.

There are people out there who use pictures of gun violence survivors for target practice and then put the video online, as a statement and of course death threat.
https://twitter.com/ParkerMolloy/status/984441111484751872
These people should have the right to own guns, really? Honestly? Of course they don't.

You, on the other hand, just have one slow firing weapon used for hunting, and skimming quickly over Canadian gun laws, it's clearly a registered firearm owned by a licensed owner. You've waited 28 days for the security check to clear (in the US, it's 3 days and auto-clearance after those three). You're actually under significantly more restrictions and within the boundaries of significantly stricter gun laws than the Parkland survivors would love to see in their country. And I guess you're not even complaining.

In short, you're not a gun nut, not at all, in my book.

Gamifying state obedience certainly is a 21st century thing I guess. Also, not releasing statistics so China doesn't show up as the country with the most executed people per annum, omni anno, by a huge margin, certainly also a 21st century thing. But, ah well, I guess it's just the Western media here screwing with the obvious.