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Kelefane: >Except Windows 10 doesn't reboot your PC out of the blue or even "suddenly".

>There are a lot of funny myths about Windows 10, thats for sure. Hardly none of them are true or as bad as you're led to believe.
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daedaliavallis: Except it does, and it's not a myth. It's happened to me, repeatedly, on my laptop while I was working with no prompting to reboot, and kept doing it after every update until I finally found a way to disable the Borg-like regenerative update permanently.
It's never happened to me and people I know.
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Kelefane: It's never happened to me and people I know.
right, and the Earth is flat because you can clearly see it with your own eyes
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djoxyk: right, and the Earth is flat because you can clearly see it with your own eyes
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daedaliavallis: Except it does, and it's not a myth. It's happened to me, repeatedly, on my laptop while I was working with no prompting to reboot, and kept doing it after every update until I finally found a way to disable the Borg-like regenerative update permanently.
Gentlefops, please. This is rapidly turning into a petty argument.

Generally speaking, this is how it works:

Windows downloads update, tells you that it did so and generally asks when you want to restart. PICNIC postpones update though several sessions or gets so focused into some task they could easily pause that they forget about the little countdown.

In the former, Windows will finally force the issue, deeming a final time to restart. If the user hasn't found a moment to gracefully restart their session before this, that's entirely their fault.

In the latter, the user is playing WOW when their mother disconnects the modem on them suddenly and they whine that they have to reconnect during the raid, losing precious mere minutes of progress.

No, I'm not switching out the metaphor.

There is no "and suddenly". Users are presented with a clear notice, and a clear deadline. There's even an audio cue with the first announcement. But users have been trained to ignore any status message from Windows, even if it was an alert that their printer has literally burst into flame.

A little time management or a quick break for this isn't so painful. It's like getting a booster shot.


Of course, if users have a real beef with the way that works, maybe they should switch to operating systems with more sane update methods.
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Cavalary: -words-
I didn't understand a bloody bit of this.

My TL;DR to you is that I've never even really bothered with trying to make rules or white lists because I prefer to keep my aluminum sheets for pizzas.
Post edited March 22, 2019 by Darvond
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Darvond: My TL;DR to you is that I've never even really bothered with trying to make rules or white lists because I prefer to keep my aluminum sheets for pizzas.
So again, nothing to discuss regarding suitability of Linux for my uses, just a resounding no. And condescending too.
The tl;dr is that I want to be able to fully control and monitor my system, and the connections made from my system in particular, and won't use an OS where I won't be able to easily do that.
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Cavalary: So again, nothing to discuss regarding suitability of Linux for my uses, just a resounding no. And condescending too.
The tl;dr is that I want to be able to fully control and monitor my system, and the connections made from my system in particular, and won't use an OS where I won't be able to easily do that.
You can do that; via gui or command line tools, but I wouldn't the one to ask how. Linux is popular for servers for a reason.

I'll just leave it to you to either inform yourself via research or have others inform you.
I have 3 computers, pentium4 desktop pc with windows XP, Intel core 2 desktop pc with win 7 and current Asus ROC series laptop with win 10 home. I only use pentium4 desktop pc and Intel core 2 desktop pc, when i can not run softwares or games on windows 10.

Also I use Ashampoo® AntiSpy for Windows 10 to disable Microsoft spyware software on windows 10.

I was forced to switch windows 10 because windows xp doesn´t support 6 or 7 generation CPU.

I can not do any security updates on my win 7 because computer doesn´t have working network card!
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Darvond: You can do that; via gui or command line tools, but I wouldn't the one to ask how. Linux is popular for servers for a reason.
Actually quite fond of command line stuff, there are things (on Windows, I mean) that I still prefer to do via command line even if there's a built-in GUI. But command line tools are completely unsuited for a firewall, the way I use one at least.
Im always using each version of windows till the end
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JackBurton.: Im always using each version of windows till the end
That's heavy man.
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Kelefane: It's never happened to me and people I know.
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djoxyk: right, and the Earth is flat because you can clearly see it with your own eyes
Wait...there are proof of this.
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Ancient-Red-Dragon: ...MS has always made their OSes become obsolete over time to the point that they all eventually become totally unusable.
I'll never forget the story about Fallout and Windows 95! Microsoft did NOT allow Interplay to advertise their game as working on windows 95, as long as the game also worked on Windows NT. Fallout needed to "fail gracefully" when installing on Windows NT, for Microsoft to certify the game as Windows 95 compatible.

Which is why the installer from the Fallout CD detects the windows version, and exists with an error, if the game is installed on Windows NT.
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Cavalary: I mean something very much like Comodo Firewall is for Windows. Can create both global and application rules, whenever something tries a connection that doesn't match a rule I get a prompt, can say from the prompt whether the answer applies just for that connection or a rule is to be created, have customizable rule types which I can use to set rule parameters in 2 clicks either from the prompt or manually, can further customize each rule in detail manually if I care to, decide what gets logged, see at any moment each connection, with process, destination, source, protocol, port and traffic made in and out, also allows to block sites/IPs...
And major bonus, has HIPS too, in the firewall that is, without also installing the antivirus, so you can pair it with a proper antimalware solution (since CAV isn't that highly rated), which is quite a Swiss army knife for that as well for anyone who cares and knows how to use it. I tend to largely use it to learn what programs try to do, set it to auto-allow signed or trusted programs but then check the rules it creates just for curiosity. And when I do get prompts for non system stuff I tend to try to block and see what happens. One thing I do block in general is for example allowing games to check network settings, since I don't want them to connect, so I block some from even trying even before getting to firewall, or block some that try inter-process memory access for some reason. Didn't have them crash so far due to those things, so keep wondering why they'd try.
But yeah, that's largely curiosity, though a proper HIPS mostly makes another antimalware solution quite useless. But a proper firewall like that is something I will not use a computer without.
A fellow scholar! ;)
Post edited March 25, 2019 by MadalinStroe
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Cavalary: Actually quite fond of command line stuff, there are things (on Windows, I mean) that I still prefer to do via command line even if there's a built-in GUI. But command line tools are completely unsuited for a firewall, the way I use one at least.
If not straight command line, I'm sure there's a ncurses interface. (Ncurses being text graphics, rather than straight text.)
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dnt care im using windows 10 i see no issue with it, you can always download a windows 7 theme for 10 and disable all windows 10 annoying features as i have said many times in the thread. either have an outdated OS and have security risks or suck it up and use windows 10 and put a little effort to make it look like windows 7.

since people dnt seem to listen to me in this thread il tell you 1 last time

1 search ribbon disabler - this gets rid of that god awful ribbon windows 10 has by default and gives it the windows 7 one

2. use GPEDIT to disable cortana and such and a mass of other windows features THIS IS FOR ADVANCED PEOPLE IF YOU MESS UP YA PC NOT MY FAULT I WARNED YOU.

3. downlaod classic shell - this program changes the start menu to windows 7,xp or 90's versions of windows

4. download shutup10 FREE software to disable phone home and telemetry services in windows 10

a low rated post when this post activly helps people, use gpedit then fuck up ya pc see if i care then
Post edited March 28, 2019 by moobot83
What would i do ?

First a period of digital mourning, weep a few digital tears for the beloved departed win 7(64bits)
after that maybe some nice swearing, cursing, profanity , whatever words can be used to express anger, discontent
maybe get an old keyboard and do a " Ich will Unreal Tournament spielen "

After that i will start laughing ,
maybe this will be the future of windows:

https://www.techspot.com/news/80282-microsoft-envisions-modern-windows-os-seamlessly-updates-background.html#commentsOffset

Microsoft envisions a modern Windows OS that seamlessly updates in the background
A cloud-based OS powered by Azure and AI
By Cal Jeffrey on May 29, 2019, 1:17 PM 12 comments
Anyway i dont like w10 as it is now....but if they pull a stunt like this its over ... no more windows

another nice topic on same site

https://www.techspot.com/news/79922-windows-7-users-wont-go-aging-os.html#comments

M$ is really f ing up things bigtime...they totally lost it ...

the good old CEO in Massive soft :ra2 yuri expansion clip

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2aqk3M21FM&feature=youtu.be&t=4172
Post edited May 30, 2019 by gamesfreak64