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Love that the wishlist votes are still steadily growing to this day. Re: so much naysaying, I was going to say (again) that these points have already been addressed ad nauseum (so if anything all you are all doing is "helping the cause" by continuing to bump this topic in visibility). But let me try a different tack. Many of you value the offline installers. Yet I don't think it's controversial to point out that GOG focuses/ devotes resources more on Galaxy than on offline installers.

Therefore I'd like to ask: do you think all the offline installer-related wishes are a waste of time? Keep in mind that, just like the wish to bring back Downloader, the wishlist votes can be a way of voicing opinion even if it seemed unlikely the wish itself will be granted.
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rjbuffchix: Re: so much naysaying, I was going to say (again) that these points have already been addressed ad nauseum (so if anything all you are all doing is "helping the cause" by continuing to bump this topic in visibility).
I just like the topic, and replying to posts here...dunno about the others.

That said: If GOG changes course (I don't think they will, though, but I could be wrong) I would be happily willing to admit I was wrong on this.

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rjbuffchix: But let me try a different tack. Many of you value the offline installers. Yet I don't think it's controversial to point out that GOG focuses/ devotes resources more on Galaxy than on offline installers.

Therefore I'd like to ask: do you think all the offline installer-related wishes are a waste of time? Keep in mind that, just like the wish to bring back Downloader, the wishlist votes can be a way of voicing opinion even if it seemed unlikely the wish itself will be granted.
Yes, I think a good number of(non game title) wishes are a waste of time as it is GOG who decides what comes here as of late.....the wishlist is usually mainly used to gauge interest so they know what is profitable/worthwhile of pursuit.....and sadly not every wishlist entry(even those with many many votes) will get fulfilled.

That said: Do I wish it were different? Hell yes I do.

As for voicing opinions......that is fine for soothing one's own mind/venting, but as of late with GOG such attempts are akin to yelling at a mountain to move instead of tunneling through with machinery**.

(**=Which in this case is the zoom platform, which[if they do as they said they would] might become a bigger contender soon enough. IMO, a better way to get GOG to change would be for more to start buying on other platforms....if only in part....hit em in the wallet, essentially)
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Please vote here if you agree with the original topic subject:

https://www.gog.com/wishlist/site/keep_the_gog_downloader_and_keep_it_up_to_date

Some would have you believe that this is futile and will continue to post in this thread that your vote does not count towards a possible sea change.

Do not be fooled, your vote counts.
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GameRager: [snip]
All fair enough! I may differ from others, but personally I like hearing your perspective here even though we've disagreed on the subject. There's definitely arguments for the wishlist being ineffective in many cases, though I feel all else equal it is good to have a significant amount of wishlist votes, if that makes sense I would say around 500-1000, which this vote has already surpassed, counts as significant considering that not all of GOG's audience goes on the forums, knows about the wishlist to begin with, etc. That hundreds of customers took the time to seek the entry out and add their voice to that conversation seems meaningful to me, but I understand if you or others feel differently. Certainly it pales in comparison to the wishes for Black and White 2, or Galaxy for Linux,...yet it also is so many times more wishlist votes than some of the "quirky indie" games that have gotten accepted. That's another wrinkle. Sometimes it seems that the wishlist votes get "overrode" by whatever other preferences are at play. Like how highly-desired games such as Hatred and Agony remain off the store, despite many people wishing to buy them (many more than have currently voted in favor of Downloader).
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lazydog: Some would have you believe that this is futile and will continue to post in this thread that your vote does not count towards a possible sea change.

Do not be fooled, your vote counts.
Imo it's not 100% certain to be futile, just highly likely to be futile....again, i'd love to be wrong on this......that said, several here (not everyone here) seem to be acting like pic related imo**.

(**=For proof of this, look at how GOG hasn't replied to this in 2 months, and[more importantly] look at GOG's choice to drop Galaxy 1 and also forcibly upgrade people to Galaxy 2)

Also if some are just putting on a front and also don't think this is likely to work, but are just saying it to keep hopes up.....that's fine and fair enough.

(Also note the pic is just me musing a bit on how I think some are acting in reaction to this decision by GOG, and how their efforts to bring it back are paying off....it is just me musing a bit...if it offends you or anyone else then I am sorry for that)
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rjbuffchix: All fair enough! I may differ from others, but personally I like hearing your perspective here even though we've disagreed on the subject.
Thank you for that.....I also like to talk with others on subjects even if I don't always see eye to eye with every single person on everything.

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rjbuffchix: There's definitely arguments for the wishlist being ineffective in many cases, though I feel all else equal it is good to have a significant amount of wishlist votes, if that makes sense I would say around 500-1000, which this vote has already surpassed, counts as significant considering that not all of GOG's audience goes on the forums, knows about the wishlist to begin with, etc.
You make some good points here.....it is a decent number, considering how many use the forums & how many votes some things get. That said, a few entries have gotten more votes.

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rjbuffchix: That hundreds of customers took the time to seek the entry out and add their voice to that conversation seems meaningful to me, but I understand if you or others feel differently.
I find it meaningful as well.....I wish GOG would, too.....but knowing how most companies operate after aa certain point, I can sometimes predict what reactions said companies will make to some things & it's often not a nice picture.

(That is, in part, why I try to lift my spirits in other ways or ignore bad things in life if I can....also sometimes drinking helps[I drink on rare occasion, but not much])

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rjbuffchix: Certainly it pales in comparison to the wishes for Black and White 2, or Galaxy for Linux,...yet it also is so many times more wishlist votes than some of the "quirky indie" games that have gotten accepted. That's another wrinkle. Sometimes it seems that the wishlist votes get "overrode" by whatever other preferences are at play. Like how highly-desired games such as Hatred and Agony remain off the store, despite many people wishing to buy them (many more than have currently voted in favor of Downloader).
Hivemind, I see....I also talked about this above a bit.....as I said, GOG seems to pick wishes to fulfill based on various aspects only it knows(and maybe only that it mainly cares about). If only it were a bit different and the way it used to be.

(Ah, I need another drink....care to join me?)
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GameRager: Businesses usually operate based on the numbers, and even if the number was ten times what the number of votes in actuality(in terms of support) that's still very low numbers & likely not enticing enough for GOG to consider.
Have you really thought deeply about what those numbers mean and what they don't, or are you just taking them in superficially on face value?

The sale of one game is meaningless in the bigger picture.

Does that number equate to how many customers GOG have on a regular basis?
I'd be extremely surprised to find they have even a tenth of that number regularly.
Many may have specifically come to GOG to get that game, and never been back since. No doubt a good number have bought the whole Witcher series, but maybe nothing else here.

I'm only making an educated guess, but it seems quite reasonable to me.

Most of the gaming world alas, loves Steam, and they want the features and options Steam offers.

Last I read, the Witcher 3 saved GOG's bacon.
That doesn't sound like they sold a great profit making number of other games.

For a store to ignore over 1,000 customers, make them unhappy, is not a good way to run a business. Especially, as those who care enough about the GOG Downloader, would be regulars, not just someone doing a rare purchase, where the downloader did not matter.

That means we likely buy many games, so our numbers would be something like 1,000 times our personal number of games. In my case, I have about 940 games.

You can go even deeper, if you put your mind to it.

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GameRager: (Anyways in case you wondered why I[at the very least...don't know about & can't speak for others] keep replying to this thread...it's because of seemingly denial filled posts like this one....in how you and others seem to not want to admit it's a likely losing battle.
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GameRager: And it comes from a mostly good place.....I don't like to see anyone waste their time on such unlikely things, when they could be enjoying their lives and focusing their energies elsewhere.)
Those last two quotes are an example of why I get fed up responding to you. You try to put words in the mouth of myself and others. You make assumptions, and don't read properly.

I am pretty sure that everyone who wants the GOG Downloader back, is not naive and expecting it to happen. That is not a good reason to not protest though, and like I spent a whole other post talking about, there are other aspects. You read that post of mine, but somehow missed my very first sentence, where I say - While I suspect they won't, if only not to lose face now, never say never.

Who said we are not enjoying our lives or not focusing most of our energy elsewhere?
We come here now and then and make the odd post or three.

You attribute denial, because you do not reason fully. You attribute denial because you do not look deep enough.

I am not a denialist, what I say is based on good solid reasoning. Just because I don't always provide the detail, like I have done above, or because I am fed up repeating myself, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It's not up to me to do all the thinking.

Give us a break!
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GameRager: Businesses usually operate based on the numbers, and even if the number was ten times what the number of votes in actuality(in terms of support) that's still very low numbers & likely not enticing enough for GOG to consider.
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Timboli: Have you really thought deeply about what those numbers mean and what they don't, or are you just taking them in superficially on face value?
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you should really take your own advice - exactly what does this number mean and are YOU not taking them on face value?
LET GOG KNOW HOW YOU FEEL BY VOTING
https://www.gog.com/wishlist/site/keep_the_gog_downloader_and_keep_it_up_to_date

We are up to 1138 votes now .... still steadily climbing.
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Timboli: Have you really thought deeply about what those numbers mean and what they don't, or are you just taking them in superficially on face value?
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amok: you should really take your own advice - exactly what does this number mean and are YOU not taking them on face value?
Well, he did exactly explain why he thinks this way - unfortunately you did not quote that part ... or made some counter arguments.
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Well, there`s a german saying that says: "One who fights might lose, but one who doesn`t fight has lost already!".
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GameRager: (Ah, I need another drink....care to join me?)
Cheers, man, next round's on me :D
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amok: you should really take your own advice - exactly what does this number mean and are YOU not taking them on face value?
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MarkoH01: Well, he did exactly explain why he thinks this way - unfortunately you did not quote that part ... or made some counter arguments.
No counter arguments, but more visibility thanks to him bumping this topic. I'll take it. And no matter what people might say, maybe all of us can agree the number of wishlist votes is much larger than expected. That is, I assume most people expected this wish to "fizzle out" at a few hundred votes yet it is over 1,000 and still steadily growing.
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amok: you should really take your own advice - exactly what does this number mean and are YOU not taking them on face value?
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MarkoH01: Well, he did exactly explain why he thinks this way - unfortunately you did not quote that part ... or made some counter arguments.
can do, no problem

(and as usual, Timboli will ignore everything I say, which is why I have given up trying to offer any arguments to him.... )
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Timboli: The sale of one game is meaningless in the bigger picture.
Only terms that it counts all gOg custmers who bought the game on gOg, In reality the number is much higher, as not all gOg users bought W3 so early. However, it means that this is a lowest number of gOg users possible as 2015

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Timboli: Does that number equate to how many customers GOG have on a regular basis?
Many problems here in this statement - what is 'regular basis' ? Do only customer using gOg on 'regular basis' count? The number of gOg custoemrs using gOg on 'regular basis' is probably higer (see above) and more. This is a nonsensical statement wich does not drive forard the argument. You have no idea who / how many / whatever 'regular basis' means, so it is meaningless

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Timboli: I'd be extremely surprised to find they have even a tenth of that number regularly.
See above, same problem here

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Timboli: Many may have specifically come to GOG to get that game, and never been back since. No doubt a good number have bought the whole Witcher series, but maybe nothing else here.
And many. many gOg users did not get W3 in the first months of sale either, probably a lot more than those who did (not liking the game, waiting for a sale, waiting for the game to be patched up / bug free / 'complete' and so on) not to mention normal 'churn' - users coming and leaving on a normal basis. Again - you have no foundation for this statement.

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Timboli: I'm only making an educated guess, but it seems quite reasonable to me.
No, your guesses are just that, just guesses. You have not provided anything to make them 'educated'.

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Timboli: For a store to ignore over 1,000 customers, make them unhappy, is not a good way to run a business. Especially, as those who care enough about the GOG Downloader, would be regulars, not just someone doing a rare purchase, where the downloader did not matter.
and ho many of these 1000 people will stop using gOg? How many of them are 'regular users', by the way? The downloader has been disabled for some time now - exactly how has it impacted on gOg?

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Timboli: That means we likely buy many games, so our numbers would be something like 1,000 times our personal number of games. In my case, I have about 940 games.
See above

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Timboli: You can go even deeper, if you put your mind to it.
Please do go deeper, perhaps there is something with substance there.

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amok: you should really take your own advice - exactly what does this number mean and are YOU not taking them on face value?
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MarkoH01: Well, he did exactly explain why he thinks this way - unfortunately you did not quote that part ... or made some counter arguments.
Happy now? And see Timboli ignoring all of it
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Timboli: Have you really thought deeply about what those numbers mean and what they don't, or are you just taking them in superficially on face value?
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amok: you should really take your own advice - exactly what does this number mean and are YOU not taking them on face value?
Very true, it was proven earlier in these threads that people have been making alt accounts to pad the number