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So I have been playing Vanilla World of Warcraft on a private server (Not telling which and where to get it mind you)

Because I really, truly, wanted to see the world of Azeroth before the Catacylsm.

I got my character to level 30 and so far I learned some sad truths:

1. Paladins were not viable tanks for raiding. And I love Paladins and want to be a tank.

2. 2 enemies can kill you if you solo quest.

3. It takes FOREVER to get a mount.

4. Each Zone only has 1 flightpath. There is no flight path from say Goldshire to Stormwind. (Yes in Current WOW there is)

But the world pre cata is Beautiful. Westfall, Loch Lodan, Stranglethorne Vale, Stormwind City

Everything just felt right. This feels like the continuation of Warcraft 3 I was looking for.
Post edited January 27, 2016 by Elmofongo
What's wrong with playing at TBC level? You've got all the vanilla zones intact plus all the additions.
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Crosmando: What's wrong with playing at TBC level? You've got all the vanilla zones intact plus all the additions.
Let's just say none of TBC servers are of the same blizzlike quality than this vanilla one I am using.

And even then I prefer a Wrath server. Because I never played Wrath when it was fresh and that was the Xpac I was waiting for.
Wrath changes vanilla zones, there's Orcs occupying Undercity and Silverpine is also changed (from memory, there's probably others). Wrath was such a slap in the face to Undead/Forsaken players.
Post edited January 27, 2016 by Crosmando
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Crosmando: Wrath changes vanilla zones, there's Orcs occupying Undercity and Silverpine is also changed (from memory, there's probably others). Wrath was such a slap in the face to Undead/Forsaken players.
You sure you are not confusing Wrath and Cata?

Anyway Vanilla WOW at times feels like Morrowind. You are free to level at your own pace. You can choose to say level in Westfall or Loch Lodan as a Human player.
No, in the Wrath storyline the Alliance and Horde joined forces to defeat the Lich King, the Forsaken apparently betrayed them in a key battle so Thrall had Undercity occupied. They literally replaced Abominations (elite guards) with Orcs in Undercity.

EDIT: Oh, I just look it up, the Silverpine changes were in Cata not wrath
Post edited January 27, 2016 by Crosmando
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Crosmando: No, in the Wrath storyline the Alliance and Horde joined forces to defeat the Lich King, the Forsaken apparently betrayed them in a key battle so Thrall had Undercity occupied. They literally replaced Abominations (elite guards) with Orcs in Undercity.

EDIT: Oh, I just look it up, the Silverpine changes were in Cata not wrath
That is one of the things I wanted to see in WOW, sadly current WOW deleted that quest.

I wanted to fight along said Varian, Jaina, Thrall, and Sylvanas.
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Crosmando: What's wrong with playing at TBC level? You've got all the vanilla zones intact plus all the additions.
The problem with TBC is that it began the linear nature of questing. Quest you get in you zone had to be done in the same spot.

Where as in Vanilla I could get a quest that takes me to a completely different zone.
But those vanilla quests are still in TBC though right?
Am i the only one who doesn't understand anything about this? I've never played WOW and I probably never will.
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Crosmando: But those vanilla quests are still in TBC though right?
Yes but I have to end up in Outland anyway.

Also at times TBC feels like it added stuff that WAS going to be in Vanilla.

I mean they already made High/Blood Elf models already. And the path the Quel'Thalas was there but it was blocked off.

And don't forget about Karazhan.
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blotunga: Am i the only one who doesn't understand anything about this? I've never played WOW and I probably never will.
Have you played any MMORPG say Lord of the Rings Online, Star Wars The Old Repulic, Dungeons and Dragons Online?
Post edited January 27, 2016 by Elmofongo
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Elmofongo: So I have been playing Vanilla World of Warcraft on a private server (Not telling which and where to get it mind you)

Because I really, truly, wanted to see the world of Azeroth before the Catacylsm.

I got my character to level 30 and so far I learned some sad truths:

1. Paladins were not viable tanks for raiding. And I love Paladins and want to be a tank.

2. 2 enemies can kill you if you solo quest.

3. It takes FOREVER to get a mount.

4. Each Zone only has 1 flightpath. There is no flight path from say Goldshire to Stormwind. (Yes in Current WOW there is)

But the world pre cata is Beautiful. Westfall, Loch Lodan, Stranglethorne Vale, Stormwind City

Everything just felt right. This feels like the continuation of Warcraft 3 I was looking for.
I've been playing Vanilla wow on Nostalrius (for those of you who want to play Vanilla. It's highly populated and free). There's nothing illegal about playing it so long as they do not charge for it.

I wanted to give my 2 cents about.

TL;DR Vanilla WoW is a better, harder, and more challenging game than retail WoW is

Yeah, there are things that you and I both wish Vanilla had that are in the current retail version (your example of flight paths, as well as there being fewer graveyards).

And yeah, Pallys being unable to tank is kind of a bummer. I love tanking, so I rolled a prot warrior, and am loving it just as much as my retail prot pally.

Although i really like the idea that 2 enemies being able to kill you. It's one of the things that makes the game a challenge (something sorely lacking in retail), and if 2 guys (or murlocs) gang up on you in a real fight, you're going to have a much harder time.

And yes, getting a mount does take forever (Level 40, which takes a lot longer to get to in vanilla than it does in retail)...but it makes you appreciate getting that mount a lot more than retail does. I have something like 170ish mounts in retail, ranging from all the racial mounts to the phoenix that drops in TK, and honestly, I feel less connected to them than I do to my plain 60%speed horse. I feel like I worked towards getting my one horsey, and that I earned it. So I feel that decreasing the amount of mounts in game, as well as it taking a lot longer to get a mount, is actually a good thing.

What I like most about vanilla is that it puts the social aspect back into a game that centers around playing with other people. In retail, you can get into LFR with 25 other random people, and everyone works in silence, or if someone does talk, it seems to be about something negative. But if I'm running a 5 man dungeon, we WILL talk because communication is necessary. Also, I have yet to encounter someone being a complete a**hole (cocky yes, a**hole no), because 1)It takes a lot longer to get a group together, and players are not as easily replaceable and 2.)You will probably be playing with these same people some time in the future, and being an a**hole will hurt you in the long run.

So to conclude, this pre cata world IS beautiful. It's nice to see my favorite zone, Tanaris, returned to its original glory!

My character is Beccaria, and I play on the PVP server. Add me to friends if you ever want to play, or need a tank. I'll be happy to help.
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Crosmando: But those vanilla quests are still in TBC though right?
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Elmofongo: Yes but I have to end up in Outland anyway.

Also at times TBC feels like it added stuff that WAS going to be in Vanilla.

I mean they already made High/Blood Elf models already. And the path the Quel'Thalas was there but it was blocked off.

And don't forget about Karazhan.
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blotunga: Am i the only one who doesn't understand anything about this? I've never played WOW and I probably never will.
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Elmofongo: Have you played any MMORPG say Lord of the Rings Online, Star Wars The Old Repulic, Dungeons and Dragons Online?
I have tried Star Trek online for 2-3 hours but got bored. And i did play MUDs back in the old days. But no MMO kept me hooked.
I fucking hate it. Probably the biggest waste of my life was the 6 months I played it. Utter boring crap that failed on every single level except: dumbing down of players and making them even more materialistic selfish greed-grabbers. It also developed a gambling problem within my sister's ex-husband (which is why they are ex.)
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Elmofongo: Everything just felt right.
Yes. Yes. Yes. Felt so right I had to quit else it would've eaten my life.