BKGaming: I usually try to stay out of these political threads, but seriously did we really need another thread for this crap? People worried and complaining about an American President... when they are not even American? Trump is right about one thing... let America worry about America... everyone else worry about your own countries issues.

Erpy: Thing is, American elections DO impact other countries. When Dubya was elected and decided to respond to 9/11 by invading Afghanistan and then Iraq, that had a big impact on the countries on the other side of the pond. In fact, Dubya's decisions had a much more profound long-term impact on our side of the pond than it did on the US itself. Now Trump is spouting his opinions about stuff from NATO to Russia to Taiwan and China despite having very little actual knowledge of it that wasn't taken from Cable News. You still wanna claim people from other countries have nothing to do with this?

Erpy: Thing is, American elections DO impact other countries. When Dubya was elected and decided to respond to 9/11 by invading Afghanistan and then Iraq, that had a big impact on the countries on the other side of the pond. In fact, Dubya's decisions had a much more profound long-term impact on our side of the pond than it did on the US itself. Now Trump is spouting his opinions about stuff from NATO to Russia to Taiwan and China despite having very little actual knowledge of it that wasn't taken from Cable News. You still wanna claim people from other countries have nothing to do with this?

tinyE: The end.

Pheace: Maybe it's me but this is really confusing to me. Why is it exactly that it's important that states, or even land mass coverage is somehow more important than an actual voters vote? Why should someone's vote count less because he lives in an urban area rather than in the middle of nowhere? Surely not because "urban is more likely to be liberal"?

What exactly is being protected here? State's rights or something?

DaCostaBR: You're painting people with a pretty large brush. Because there's some people who want to change the outcome of the election you're going to dismiss any discussion of the Electoral College? Of course no election should be retroactively invalidated, he already won, that is over and done with, and if Bush is any indication just because he lost the popular his first time around doesn't mean he can't win it on reelection.

But this time the EC did disagree with the popular vote, again, and the candidate who fewer amount of voters supported won. Maybe under a different type of election the votes would be split differently, but you shouldn't ignore the issue that does exist now and the evidence we do have for it based on what might have happened.

The way you describe the voting process sounds insane to me. Remember, most places on Earth don't have the same issues with recounting that you do, so there must be a solution for it. More than one I'll bet, each country must have found a different one.

The way we personally do it over here is with electronic voting machines. We've been using them since the mid-90s. They're not connected to the internet, if they are to be tampered with it must be done in person the same way as with a non-electronic machine. After the election is complete you can just check the machine to get all the results instantly. The machine provides a receipt after a person votes, so you can check immediately that your vote has been tallied. You hand the receipt before leaving and it is kept secure so that a manual recount can be done if necessary, though I never heard of that happening. Every person is registered to a specific table at a specific polling station and they must show photo ID and provide either a signature or a fingerprint scan to vote, so no one can vote in someone else's place.

capricorn1971ad: exactly, law is founded on Torah historically, and when the "law" separates from it's origins it makes itself illegitimate.
it is literally law through lawlessness. there is no justice without truth, only oppression and tyranny.

dtgreene: Nope. Law has existed independently of the Torah and its derivatives.

In particular:
Egypt had laws back in 3000 BCE, and there were laws in ancient Sumeria, Babylon, Greece, India, and China.

For details, see:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_history

I also note that, of the ten commandments, several of them are not codified in secular law, as they have no place in a secular legal system (the very first one is one of these), several are things that would be found in any sane legal system (like forbidding murder), and at least one is rather questionable (respecting one's elders can be a problem if said elders don't deserve that respect).

Edit: Even the questionable law about respecting one's elders has shown up independently, in ancient Chinese law.

yogsloth: Please allow me to introduce you to Ulysses S. Grant.

dtgreene: Nope. Law has existed independently of the Torah and its derivatives.

In particular:
Egypt had laws back in 3000 BCE, and there were laws in ancient Sumeria, Babylon, Greece, India, and China.

For details, see:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_history

I also note that, of the ten commandments, several of them are not codified in secular law, as they have no place in a secular legal system (the very first one is one of these), several are things that would be found in any sane legal system (like forbidding murder), and at least one is rather questionable (respecting one's elders can be a problem if said elders don't deserve that respect).

Edit: Even the questionable law about respecting one's elders has shown up independently, in ancient Chinese law.

RWarehall: 2) Trump is going to start WW3. Isn't he the one trying to get along with Putin as opposed to Hillary? Common sense says Hillary and her push for a new Cold War was more likely to destabilize relations. But let's not let facts get in the way of a good story, right?

amok: he is not exactly "trying to get along" with for example Palestine, China or Mexico or even most of the Muslim world, though... WW3 does not need to between NATO and former East Block, does it?

RWarehall: Really, since I think the UK has universal mental health care, I highly suggest you look into it. That level of paranoia is not normal. Maybe your friends can stage an intervention on your behalf if they are reading this and you are unwilling to get treatment yourself. Seeing WW3 in everything is just about as mental as thinking you are Jesus.
RWarehall: Guess what, he is! Despite your lack of touch with reality!

amok: Not so much seeing WW3 (those are youtube words), but the world have become a more tense place the last week. Stirring up the One China policy, wanting to move the embassy to Jerusalem and allowing new settlements, giving Putin carte blanche.... all are setting back on going negotiations several year.

When it comes to this new government and foreign policy and diplomacy, the term "bull in a china-shop" comes to mind....

morolf: The difference is that unlike Syria North Korea actually has the means to hit back,

FlyByU: No they don't. NK is a puppet of China they do not do anything without thee Okay of China including threats to the USA and its allies. NK would not last 7 days in all out war with SK and the USA. China will not allow their puppet to be destroyed just like in 1950's when they came to their aid they will do so again. So whatever NK does China needs to pay as well.