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kohlrak: This is another lolsuit coming, mark my words. The more of the petty crap i read, the more interesting it gets. It's funny, thebottom says injunctive and monetary relief, but if you actually get to the bit where they talk about what they're asking for, it's all money, and they repeat requests, too!

I guess they're prolly real big fans of Cardi B, then
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Side note (to the thread): seeing some of these plaintiffs make high six figure salaries while complaining about not making enough money makes me want to sigh and face palm. My own mother made minimum wage in her job(which she had to get as my father couldn't support us all working full time) would've gladly jumped at being able to make even a quarter of that.
Post edited July 22, 2021 by GamezRanker
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GamezRanker: ...
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kohlrak: After all the scandals and BS for topics of this nature, i'm going to just defer to history and say, "well, when ever someone actually provides something resembling evidence, let me know." And if hearsay isn't good enough for the bible these days, why should i care about accusations without evidence (and there's far more witnesses for the various religions)?

EDIT: Since when did gog become Twatter, anyway? Did someone get banned from there for such libelous and slanderous claims that it has to come to places like GOG instead?
exactly

get evidence and then go to police or court
there are plenty of stories where if you look from a little farther, you see the suspect is the actual victim and the crying victim is the bad guy
Post edited July 22, 2021 by Orkhepaj
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I'm absolutely not a fan of Activision-Blizzard but this just proves how absurd our modern culture is. Given how often the "harassment" and "pay inequality" crap is flung around by a certain group of crybabies, I don't buy it.

I really hope the judge throws it out because that would be an incredible waste of time and money for everyone involved.
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Breja: No one here has anything to gain from seeing "it all burn down", other than some perverse pleasure of seeing plenty of people out of a job over a few people (allegedly) acting like boneheads.
I understand where you're coming from there, but I have to disagree. As a gamer, it's very much in my interest that the industry is held to a high standard. The price of a game is effected not just by development costs, but also any financial hangovers the dev/pub have. Waste at the top trickles down to cash from my pocket.

Generally, any practices that tend to raise prices and/or reduce quality, should be exposed and expunged. "Burn down" might be a little emotive, but I agree with the sentiment.
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borisburke: The price of a game is effected not just by development costs, but also any financial hangovers the dev/pub have. Waste at the top trickles down to cash from my pocket.
If you want to save money, buy games on deep sale...or buy less games. Problem solved.
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I would say that it's no surprise that a corporation is being evil again, especially this one, but apparently a bunch of people need the reminder, especially given that several responses come across as defensive of ActiBlizz, at least to me. But maybe that's just me misreading tone over the internet? I hope so.

As for what it has to to with GOG -- the abuses of the games industry are related to the games industry and thereby to places that sell games. Certainly it's gaming-related news, at least as much as the annual announcement of a new Call of Duty or FIFA is. People posting about it is pretty reasonable. Especially so because some people do in fact care about at least attempting to minimize our support for the most egregiously bad corporations, so spreading awareness of who those are can help those who don't follow the industry's abuses quite as closely. All in all, seems like the topic more than merits being here. Or is this forum supposed to be a hugbox for corporations? Is that why we've got people asking for unreasonably high standards of evidence and scouring legal documents for the flimsiest ways to discredit the claims? For example, asking for punitive damages is now being cited as evidence against this being real. Or attempting to pick apart legalese while treating it as though the words are being used entirely in their common usage, in a lawsuit of all things. And we wonder why gamers have a mixed reputation at best. ::facepalm::
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Any dirt on Bobby Kotick?
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kohlrak: After all the scandals and BS for topics of this nature, i'm going to just defer to history and say, "well, when ever someone actually provides something resembling evidence, let me know." And if hearsay isn't good enough for the bible these days, why should i care about accusations without evidence (and there's far more witnesses for the various religions)?

EDIT: Since when did gog become Twatter, anyway? Did someone get banned from there for such libelous and slanderous claims that it has to come to places like GOG instead?
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Orkhepaj: exactly

get evidence and then go to police or court
there are plenty of stories where if you look from a little farther, you see the suspect is the actual victim and the crying victim is the bad guy
Well this 29 page document of intentional repetition and such is a classic example of "please don't actually read into this."
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Jemolk: I would say that it's no surprise that a corporation is being evil again, especially this one, but apparently a bunch of people need the reminder, especially given that several responses come across as defensive of ActiBlizz, at least to me. But maybe that's just me misreading tone over the internet? I hope so.
I'm no fan of activision, but i'm also no fan of emotional manipulation, either, which is exactly what we constantly see with suits like this. It totally discredits actual cases of abuse, because how do you separate them from trash like this?
As for what it has to to with GOG -- the abuses of the games industry are related to the games industry and thereby to places that sell games. Certainly it's gaming-related news, at least as much as the annual announcement of a new Call of Duty or FIFA is. People posting about it is pretty reasonable. Especially so because some people do in fact care about at least attempting to minimize our support for the most egregiously bad corporations, so spreading awareness of who those are can help those who don't follow the industry's abuses quite as closely. All in all, seems like the topic more than merits being here. Or is this forum supposed to be a hugbox for corporations? Is that why we've got people asking for unreasonably high standards of evidence and scouring legal documents for the flimsiest ways to discredit the claims? For example, asking for punitive damages is now being cited as evidence against this being real. Or attempting to pick apart legalese while treating it as though the words are being used entirely in their common usage, in a lawsuit of all things. And we wonder why gamers have a mixed reputation at best. ::facepalm::
While i think Activision/Blizzard is certainly trash, i also think GOG has gone down that path, too. It's certainly an appropriate topic, but this isn't an appropriate example. The buzzword salad in the lawsuit itself os obvious evidence of that.


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Breja: No one here has anything to gain from seeing "it all burn down", other than some perverse pleasure of seeing plenty of people out of a job over a few people (allegedly) acting like boneheads.
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borisburke: I understand where you're coming from there, but I have to disagree. As a gamer, it's very much in my interest that the industry is held to a high standard. The price of a game is effected not just by development costs, but also any financial hangovers the dev/pub have. Waste at the top trickles down to cash from my pocket.

Generally, any practices that tend to raise prices and/or reduce quality, should be exposed and expunged. "Burn down" might be a little emotive, but I agree with the sentiment.
I agree, let's expunge this lolsuit.
Post edited July 22, 2021 by kohlrak
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borisburke: I understand where you're coming from there, but I have to disagree. As a gamer, it's very much in my interest that the industry is held to a high standard. The price of a game is effected not just by development costs, but also any financial hangovers the dev/pub have. Waste at the top trickles down to cash from my pocket.
Only if you actually pay such an over-inflated price, at which point you have no one but yourself to blame, especially in todays market full of games and sales.
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Orkhepaj: exactly

get evidence and then go to police or court
there are plenty of stories where if you look from a little farther, you see the suspect is the actual victim and the crying victim is the bad guy
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kohlrak: Well this 29 page document of intentional repetition and such is a classic example of "please don't actually read into this."
You're not very familiar with legal filings, are you? The extensive procedural sections need to be there for legal reasons; it's not just to confuse the shit out of you. Granted, one could make the argument that the law is needlessly obtuse and made to confuse laymen generally, but that applies to far more than just this suit, and using it to discredit this suit in particular is a pretty weird take, unless you're just searching for an excuse not to believe anything bad about ActiBlizz.
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kohlrak: I'm no fan of activision, but i'm also no fan of emotional manipulation, either, which is exactly what we constantly see with suits like this. It totally discredits actual cases of abuse, because how do you separate them from trash like this?
Well said.....any cash grab style lawsuits(gaming company related or otherwise) that use such tactics could possibly(and likely does, to some extent) undermine/discredit future legal/etc efforts of those who suffer actual injustices.
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kohlrak: Well this 29 page document of intentional repetition and such is a classic example of "please don't actually read into this."
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Jemolk: You're not very familiar with legal filings, are you? The extensive procedural sections need to be there for legal reasons; it's not just to confuse the shit out of you. Granted, one could make the argument that the law is needlessly obtuse and made to confuse laymen generally, but that applies to far more than just this suit, and using it to discredit this suit in particular is a pretty weird take, unless you're just searching for an excuse not to believe anything bad about ActiBlizz.
Best example is the final bit of the request. The use several bullet points to ask for compensatory damages, 2 to ask for punitive damages. It's like how in highschool you can use passive voice to extend the word count of an essay that you don't have enough information to meet the minimum word count.
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borisburke: I understand where you're coming from there, but I have to disagree. As a gamer, it's very much in my interest that the industry is held to a high standard. The price of a game is effected not just by development costs, but also any financial hangovers the dev/pub have. Waste at the top trickles down to cash from my pocket.
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Breja: Only if you actually pay such an over-inflated price, at which point you have no one but yourself to blame, especially in todays market full of games and sales.
A % discount on an over-priced product could still cost you more than a zero discount on a reasonably priced product. And many people are willing to pay inflated prices just to be first. They know it, and exploit it. Early access for example is just cynical outsourced beta testing for profit. Another practice that disrespects customers needs to end. Can you imagine this practice in some other industry? Dyson's early access new-model vac (may explode). Early access movies (finished edit may differ), etc..
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Jemolk: You're not very familiar with legal filings, are you? The extensive procedural sections need to be there for legal reasons; it's not just to confuse the shit out of you. Granted, one could make the argument that the law is needlessly obtuse and made to confuse laymen generally, but that applies to far more than just this suit, and using it to discredit this suit in particular is a pretty weird take, unless you're just searching for an excuse not to believe anything bad about ActiBlizz.
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kohlrak: Best example is the final bit of the request. The use several bullet points to ask for compensatory damages, 2 to ask for punitive damages. It's like how in highschool you can use passive voice to extend the word count of an essay that you don't have enough information to meet the minimum word count.
I don't see what you're referring to, unless it's the first two points here. Under the section heading "Prayer for Relief," the initial points are: 1. compensatory and punitive damages, 2. unpaid wages, liquidated damages, and other remedies and penalties available under the Equal Pay Act. Is this what you're referring to? If so, then I have to disagree. Legalese is extremely picky about wording. It needs to be, in order to even attempt to eliminate linguistic ambiguity. Simply put, these are (admittedly subtly) different requests, and the latter is not neatly folded into the former, even if in everyday conversation it could be.
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Breja: Only if you actually pay such an over-inflated price, at which point you have no one but yourself to blame, especially in todays market full of games and sales.
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borisburke: A % discount on an over-priced product could still cost you more than a zero discount on a reasonably priced product. And many people are willing to pay inflated prices just to be first. They know it, and exploit it. Early access for example is just cynical outsourced beta testing for profit. Another practice that disrespects customers needs to end. Can you imagine this practice in some other industry? Dyson's early access new-model vac (may explode). Early access movies (finished edit may differ), etc..
None of which has really anything to do with this case. But please, do go on. Don't let reason stop you. I'm sure there's a witch to burn here somehere.