Shadowstalker16: Yes, there has been collusion and yes, it has come from game journo pros.
Vainamoinen: The problem lies with people who have no idea whatsoever what journalism is or how it works making broadly negative assessments about journalistic practices. Here especially, the author of your linked articles doesn't even know what "blacklisting" is (he calls what happened "soft blacklisting", which isn’t exactly established terminology) and completely fails to show the existence of power structures established by monetary dependencies. It's the cardinal error of gamergate's investigation into corruption:
urknighterrant: The corruption that is doing the greatest harm to games is not nepotism or some kind of SJW agenda. It's money. And it's not being driven by bloggers and small studios. […] Corruption is not caused by calls for social justice and inclusiveness. Corruption is caused by MONEY, pure and simple. Yet GG consistently casts a blind eye to the abuses of the big money in favor of some other agenda.
Vainamoinen: The other linked case concerns Allistar Pinsof, who was fired from destructoid over doxing a trans person whom he alleged was making a fraudulent Kickstarter campaign (that had zip to do with gaming), then couldn’t let the topic die at all until finally he threatened to sue his employer and insulted him at length. Pinsof, surprise, got fired at his boss’ sole discretion and this has seriously, objectively, factually nothing to do with “collusion” or “blacklisting” (Pinsof later expressly declared that he wasn’t “blacklisted” to boot). I really don’t understand why you link to all that stuff. There’s no “proof” of anything in there. To continue your Alex Jones comparison, you’re pulling an infowars guy argument here, link to stuff you don’t even try to fully understand, calling it “proof” of something.
Shadowstalker16: What's so wrong in thinking there might be? I'm not seeing proof from the tweet that there is any collusion, so I won't say its collusive, but posting about having a bit of doubt is harassment now?
Vainamoinen: Likewise, you must see in what direction this tweet is going. The guy tweets it, it’s nothing but the mere allegation of collusion on the basis of a ridiculous amount of nothing at all, and tomorrow deepfreeze.it has a screenshot of it up on their site, which you and others will link to as “proof” of collusion in future. Say it ain't true.
Then do tell me what ''journalism'' is. If these power structures based on monetary dependencies dictate what should or shouldn't be published, then why do we call these people ''independent journalists'' in the first place? Can't we just call them members of ''XXX Journalistic Union''?
Its not ethical for a journalist to enter into any monetary relationships that limit their ability to say / not say something. Would you say that that is an incorrect statement? If yes, what if such structure was run by a government body? Still be ok?
What is the use of having free press if everyone is a member of such structure and are forced to report in the same way? Still think that's OK?
People in GJP did ask for the firing of Pinsoff. That is fact. As to what effect it had is a matter of opinion. Nothing wrong with people knowing about it. And he didn't dox the developer, his article turned about to be correct and it wasn't a campaign for a game and it does involve gaming because of that. Even then, its not like other journos don't report on non gaming stuff amiright (anyone remember watermelon butts or the recent edible cartridges or the nintendo action figure butt plugs?).
Its not true. Deepfreeze doesn't have such a retarded idea of proof as you think it does. On what basis can you even say that, other than your own suspicion of DF? :D
