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adamhm: I've always preferred to do a clean install anyway (I don't really mind doing reinstalls of Mint as it takes so little time to get everything set up).
All I hate from reinstalling is setting everything up to my liking :P Most probably why I sticked with XP that long.

Downloaded Ubuntu Mate 16.04LTS during the evening, and burn a dvd. Did live boot, had a look and said F$#% that I'll upgrade later when either have a week off with no interruptions (doubt that'll happen soon) or Mint ending support for 17.3.
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morrowslant: That last bit is going to change with Linux Mint 18, as per http://www.infoworld.com/article/3067350/linux/linux-mint-18-wont-include-multimedia-codecs.html The workaround for that looks pretty simple, either select an additional feature during OS install or download/run a standalone codec pack after OS install.
all that squabbling around multimedia support due to legal bullshit remains one of the most annoying problems in linux (and the IT world in general).
It's 2016 it we still ask the user if he really wants the ability to play a simple audio/video file.
Of course that then requires another download. And if you're currently without internet, than there is no mulitmedia support for you.
And linux newcomers trying out the live iso will continue to state that the out-of-the-box experience still sucks when it comes to simply playing a mp3 file.

which is all the more annoying given the fact that the available open-source multimedia codecs/tools are really good. This should be one of the selling for linux ...
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Engerek01: I used the update manager on Mint 17.2 and now nothing seems to work properly. That is on Virtualbox.

* Firefox doesnt show web pages normally, i had to install flash again.

* Libre Office went insane messing every possible formula in my files. They all give error now. I fixed some and others had backups but that was crazy.

* Time doesnt work normally. When I boot it first time it shows the right time. Then it delays showing wrong time. After an hour it shows 20 minutes late. Also, now I cant unlock the Date and time settings. It pops up a message which disappears after a few seconds.

* Constant freezes. Even while playing master of orion or reading gog forums it can freeze. Nothing works after that. I have to reset from the VB menu.
Its advisable to do a clean install whenever a new version of OS appears. Unfortunately all Linux distributions still have issues with upgrading to new versions and regularly break to many dependencies when you have big updates like from Linux Mint 17.2 to 17.3. Even rolling release distributions are not bullet proof yet. If you did not upgrade to 17.3 then there is something else wrong.
Post edited May 11, 2016 by Matruchus
I'd recommend Manjaro over Mint now, precisely because upgrading the kernel and switching versions is so much work with Mint / Ubuntu etc based release model. Manjaro is not as hard to setup as Arch for the novice, but rolling releases are so, so much nicer. Including the option to roll back / have different kernels installed at the same time.
Post edited May 11, 2016 by Mnemon
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Engerek01: I used the update manager on Mint 17.2 and now nothing seems to work properly. That is on Virtualbox.

* Firefox doesnt show web pages normally, i had to install flash again.

* Libre Office went insane messing every possible formula in my files. They all give error now. I fixed some and others had backups but that was crazy.

* Time doesnt work normally. When I boot it first time it shows the right time. Then it delays showing wrong time. After an hour it shows 20 minutes late. Also, now I cant unlock the Date and time settings. It pops up a message which disappears after a few seconds.

* Constant freezes. Even while playing master of orion or reading gog forums it can freeze. Nothing works after that. I have to reset from the VB menu.
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Matruchus: Its advisable to do a clean install whenever a new version of OS appears. Unfortunately all Linux distributions still have issues with upgrading to new versions and regularly break to many dependencies when you have big updates like from Linux Mint 17.2 to 17.3. Even rolling release distributions are not bullet proof yet. If you did not upgrade to 17.3 then there is something else wrong.
That is not true. I have been using Centos on my company servers for 10 years and never had a single problem. And I dont think I upgraded from 17.2 to 17.3 because the versions still shows as 17.2. All I did was open the update manager and run it. If it is going to go insane at first upgrade then this is not linux. Atleast not in the mental sense.

Also, I wasnt able find a solution or documantation about what the problem could be. It seems mint community doesnt know what they are doing since most of them wasnt even able to understand my questions. So arrogant and rude that i cant describe with words. In my MSCE community, i can always find a fellow IT manager who had similar problem and has a solution.

Why do I have to install from zero everytime a new version comes up? This is horrible for my business. I have been in IT business for 20 years now and from my experience I can say that re-installing a computer/server is for high school kids. We dont format a computer unless it is seriously damaged. I am responsible for 400 active working computer and havent re-installed any of them in last 6 years.

In conclusion, Mint does not deserve the name of linux and should be completely avoided in business world.
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Engerek01: Why do I have to install from zero everytime a new version comes up? This is horrible for my business. I have been in IT business for 20 years now and from my experience I can say that re-installing a computer/server is for high school kids. We dont format a computer unless it is seriously damaged. I am responsible for 400 active working computer and havent re-installed any of them in last 6 years.

In conclusion, Mint does not deserve the name of linux and should be completely avoided in business world.
Its not just Mint that has this problem. Its all the Ubuntu/Debian derivatives. But regarding CentOS - that one is based on a business version of Linux (Red Hat) which is a completely different system then Ubuntu/Linux Mint. On the other side I had the same upgrade issues when I used Manjaro and Archbang which was also the reason why I ditched them. Too many broken dependencies with every upgrade with those things. But that is just my experience. It does not mean that others will have the same or any issues at all with their distros.
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te_lanus: All I hate from reinstalling is setting everything up to my liking :P Most probably why I sticked with XP that long.
I really hate reinstalling Windows too; it always takes a whole evening to get everything set up & patched and apply all the tweaks it needs, and then I spend the following week or so still tweaking more things here & there. I don't mind reinstalling Mint though as it only takes about an hour to get everything sorted out with that.

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te_lanus: Downloaded Ubuntu Mate 16.04LTS during the evening, and burn a dvd. Did live boot, had a look and said F$#% that I'll upgrade later when either have a week off with no interruptions (doubt that'll happen soon) or Mint ending support for 17.3.
Mint 17.3 will still be supported for a few more years, so it's no problem if you want to stick with that :)

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Engerek01: That is not true. I have been using Centos on my company servers for 10 years and never had a single problem. And I dont think I upgraded from 17.2 to 17.3 because the versions still shows as 17.2. All I did was open the update manager and run it. If it is going to go insane at first upgrade then this is not linux. Atleast not in the mental sense.
Hmm, there must be something *very* wrong going on there then, because I've never had this kind of problem on any of the systems and VMs I've had Mint installed on. I still have the older .ISOs to hand, so I'll set up a VM with Mint 17.2 and try updating it to see if it breaks here too.
Post edited May 11, 2016 by adamhm
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Engerek01: Why do I have to install from zero everytime a new version comes up? This is horrible for my business. I have been in IT business for 20 years now and from my experience I can say that re-installing a computer/server is for high school kids. We dont format a computer unless it is seriously damaged. I am responsible for 400 active working computer and havent re-installed any of them in last 6 years.

In conclusion, Mint does not deserve the name of linux and should be completely avoided in business world.
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Matruchus: Its not just Mint that has this problem. Its all the Ubuntu/Debian derivatives. But regarding CentOS - that one is based on a business version of Linux (Red Hat) which is a completely different system then Ubuntu/Linux Mint. On the other side I had the same upgrade issues when I used Manjaro and Archbang which was also the reason why I ditched them. Too many broken dependencies with every upgrade with those things. But that is just my experience. It does not mean that others will have the same or any issues at all with their distros.
I must add that I've been upgrading my Ubuntu for a while -- never had to do a complete reinstall, just clean up the residual rubbish left from obsolete packages.

I think my cleanest upgrade was probably Slackware, but that gets new releases very infrequently.
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Matruchus: On the other side I had the same upgrade issues when I used Manjaro and Archbang which was also the reason why I ditched them. Too many broken dependencies with every upgrade with those things. But that is just my experience. It does not mean that others will have the same or any issues at all with their distros.
I didn't / don't have that problem with Manjaro at all. One kernel that made things bad, once, but rolled back to a more recent LTS and things were fine after. Do take a bit of a conservative approach to upgrading to new kernels though - i.e. in general wait for about two-three weeks (and always keep a LTS kernel as fall back installed). Any initial problems not caught by testing are generally fixed by then.
Post edited May 11, 2016 by Mnemon
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Engerek01: I used the update manager on Mint 17.2 and now nothing seems to work properly. That is on Virtualbox.
I've now installed Mint Cinnamon 17.2 64bit in a VirtualBox VM, fully updated & tested it for a while, all seems to work fine. Firefox still works, flash still works (at least it does for videos via BBC iplayer), libreoffice still seems to work just fine, date & time settings still works & the clock doesn't drift, no freezes either.

The process of upgrading is substantially different to installing regular system updates (need to do "Edit --> Upgrade to Linux Mint 17.3 Rosa" and then go through the upgrade process) and it's not at all subtle so if you didn't go through all that then you didn't upgrade, but I've tried that too and it all still works fine here.

So I'm not sure why you are having these problems... did you make any other system changes (or install anything that might have made any system changes)? Which version of VirtualBox are you using? It's also possible that there's a hardware fault at play here or that something else has otherwise become corrupted at some point resulting in these issues.
Post edited May 11, 2016 by adamhm
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Engerek01: Why do I have to install from zero everytime a new version comes up?
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Matruchus: Its not just Mint that has this problem. Its all the Ubuntu/Debian derivatives.
I *never* had to go through a re-installation to upgrade a version of Debian to the next one. And I’ve done a lot of such upgrades.
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Matruchus: Its not just Mint that has this problem. Its all the Ubuntu/Debian derivatives.
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vv221: I *never* had to go through a re-installation to upgrade a version of Debian to the next one. And I’ve done a lot of such upgrades.
As I said before some people have issues and some don't. Was just giving my expirience with it.
Post edited May 11, 2016 by Matruchus
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adamhm: I really hate reinstalling Windows too; it always takes a whole evening to get everything set up & patched and apply all the tweaks it needs, and then I spend the following week or so still tweaking more things here & there. I don't mind reinstalling Mint though as it only takes about an hour to get everything sorted out with that.
It's not just Windows :P. waayyy back in history, I was on Dos 3.3 and had it setup precisely the way I wanted (for a kid that is) and whena friend told me I could borrow his Dos 4 disks I declined as doing everything again (batch scripting and the works would take to long. When I moved to Linux with Red hat 7.2 I stayed on it until it was so old that I could no longer compile my stuff I use. But with OpenSUSE 10.2 I upgraded almost on release day :P
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Matruchus: As I said before some people have issues and some don't. Was just giving my expirience with it.
I just wanted to balance your very negative exprience with a very positive one ;-)
After a sleepless night and trying to fix it for 24 hours, still NOTHING works. Even gEdit (notepad version of Gnome) doesnt work correctly. It successfully corrupted my excel and word files now they dont even work on windows. Firefox resets plugins everytime i reset and removes Java and Flash folders. Sound became very low, even in maximum i can barely hear anything. Not a single game works anymore. Chess, Unreal, even dosbox games like Master of Orion doesnt work without freezing. I installed 17.2 and tried updating again. Same result. Litterally NOTHING works after update. I only updated 1,2 and 3 level updates. I tried it in 3 different laptops' virtual machines and same result.

In short, it works perfect and fast before update and booting from flashdrive. But it goes insane after upgrading. In the future I will try installing it fully on a computer and try upgrading but for now i dont have a free empty PC.