And why unfortunately: if you're scum it would be quite the opposite. I'm kidding, but still.

If you like to know my point of view, check my long post #849-850 (sorry for lots of typos):
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/the_shining_gog_mafia_65_return_to_the_stanley_hotel/post849
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/the_shining_gog_mafia_65_return_to_the_stanley_hotel/post850
I get the part about mislynch, the last part is so...cryptic???

I won't ask for extension out of principle. There was no misunderstanding; you did state what you said you did - Wednesday unless yogs asks for an extension.

The only one who should ask for extension is yogs, him being the sub and having to catch up. For everyone else - if you're Town you shouldn't have let such a situation arise and if you're scum then good for you. Town by definition make up the majority in almost any game situation so leaving it up to "several" players would lead to an extension almost always - since it's beneficial for Town.

I did state several times in previous games that, except for... er... exceptional sitauations, I'd never extend Days. But up to you.

I still prefer Sir Primal"Ivegotavagueprole"form, but since that's going nowhere:
Vote Pooka

Willing to switch to AFP and to a lesser extent GR/Micro.

@Lift, can I have a vote count?

1. Zazak is an odd person, he promised to continue the game only to drop off later because we haven't appreciated his work that much. I prefer to think that Mafia would never do that, it's super low by any standards and it would look like a hysterical, I hardly think Zazak is that person.
If he was Town, his reaction for lynching 2 jesters in a row is fully understandable: we're hunting scum remember, and we just wasted 2 Days and lost 2 Town people.
As for the Scum lynching neutrals is actually beneficial in a way, and if I remember correct a few players (maybe only one) mentioned the same in the past. Even gogtrial in his farewell post said: @scum: If you still manage to lose despite all of the confusion caused by our play... well, I hope I'll have been partly to blame
So, I disagree, lynching neutrals was good for scum. It's odd that you think otherwise.

So you said "as a town..." could that be considered as claim that you are Town or not exactly?

2. To be honest yogsloth haven't posted anything specific, I'm waiting for his revealings any minute. And he said exactly that: "With two anti-town neutral lynches the first two days the wagons are meaningless" he has all the right to think it was meaningless, maybe he meant that something else. But I agree with you on that each wagon needs a proper analysis.

3. It's too early to decide, I disliked his intro joke "Am I mafia?" it put me on edge. But I have nothing else at the moment. Zazak is a good example of aggressive Town or a Mafia playing aggressive Town. That's why we need to hear more from yogsloth to decided on that. And you're quite hasty on that ;)
Let's not forget that yogsloth have every right to extend Day 3 for 1 more calendar day.

And your last line about GR's lynch not going anywhere is strange: he was at L-2 once. You, Micro, ZFR and SPF expressed their willingness to vote him (have you seen the posts?). Strange...

Finally, a fresh conflict! Now the day's less boring.
There's this expression called "Look at me, I'm so town!" or LAMIST, which is basically saying stuff to try and appear "Town" like being clueless about something. What you said is similar to that. "look at me, I do sound worried!"

You don't have to spell it out on your keyboard, but it can be read that way.

Expressing fake intentions is the job of scum. Town don't care if they sound worried or not at all, because you will feel it in their words. Scum on the other hand do care, otherwise it won't be felt in their words at all. Also, why do you think that scum telling you is "questioning your intelligence"? It isn't. You're playing in a game where everyone will suspect you and scrutinize what you say. I'm questioning your motives, not your intelligence.

Or maybe I just have other things to do. Like work, or play games, or code, and observing what's going on in a Mafia game with intricate detail is just out of reach for me.

See? I appreciate that. That's a lot more eye-catching.

That's a tactic called "pocketing." You show SPF that you're supportive of him, in a gambit to get him on your side. Gaining Townie support on your side can really help matters when you want to secure that final lynch. For example: in Previously on Mafia, I had pocketed both gogtrial and Microfish for most of the game, where they were very supportive of anything I thought and followed me through - only gogtrial managed figured out my gameplan at the very last second.

Being new to Mafia and not knowing how things work. Or saying it by accident and forgetting to edit it. Here's a better one: the Wine In Front Of Me factor (WIFOM). Or to put it better, you want a Townie to think like this:
"Why did Cadaver say he WANTS TO SOUND genuine? Could he be scum? But no, scum wouldn't say that...but what if he's scum and wants me to think he isn't?" and then goes on and forth, uncertain of whether you are scum or not.
So there's three reasons why you spelling it out isn't working in your favor.

I haven't given much thought to that, but now that I'm thinking about it ZFR would be a good candidate for a scumbuddy, given that he was suspecting you yet answering your questions. Can't think of any other notable relation right now.

I replied to zazak on that a while ago, but I wouldn't blame you if you missed it. I think Joe and Trent were low-info targets whose deaths wouldn't say a lot about the game.

Well, the "day" is coming to a close.....and we need to vote for someone...so I might also vote so we don't end in a no lynch.
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You make a good point.....we don't want to end on a nolynch, so:

Vote AFP

Hopefully you're scum and those voting for you(if you're lynched) aren't mislynching, but as you said: At least we'll have a wagon to analyze.
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Tbh i'd have voted for zazak instead of you, but I want to give yogs at least 1 game "day" to play.
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I do, as well....heck I sometimes use square brackets inside round ones to even further separate things up for easier reading.
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I think AFP means he interacted with so many in certain ways that we'd be able to check his wagon and maybe find scum, more so than by lynching others anyways.
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I believe that's a reference to the previous game(or a prior game).
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Well done for now......

Also @OP: How long do we have left to discuss/etc and what is the vote count?

Yay!

"Clueless" as to not knowlegable about terms and game mechanics, or as to having no idea to hunt scum? Because I didn't know that immediate hammering is bad and how roles works, e.g. cops. In what way were you clueless when you gave incorrect answer regarding cops investigation results?
If I'm playing "LAMIST" I too good for my own good, that would imply that I'm knowledgable and all, if I'm Mafia why would I bring attention to my persona by this and by previous acts (how many times, 5-6, more)? Because maybe Mafia don't like to draw attention, don't you think? Just a thought.
Lastly Mafia knows who are no mafia, just imagine that a Mafia person would spend so much time only to play charade "hunting scum", I would definitely post less, I would definitely ask less, and I would definitely would never involve myself into hammering incident. Again you're questioning my intelligence.

Anything can be read in any way, what were your intentions to read it that way? Hunt mafia? If so, please show results, by all means help the Town.
Exactly! What about expressing genuine intentions? You think they were fake, but you can't say why. And I said why they are genuine. And if I was Mafia I'd never express "fake intentions" in that situation to gain Town points, no one suspected me, I have more than enough already, then why worry? Only if I want MORE Town points. Again, illogical (or plain stupid). Scum telling me is not "questioning my intelligence", scum telling me on that basis IS. If you're questing my motives then what they are? Why do I need more Town points?

Oh yes, IRL stuff. I specifically waited for you to post more, so you don't have time for investigation, but you have time for other posts and for this one as well. Sound logical (not really).

I'm glad you have time for this, even with your work and other things to do.

What final lynch? We are at D3, next Day most likely came to massclaim. SPF is my suspect since the beginning, and I need to get him on my side for what exactly? To SPF self-vote himself, or to claim he is Mafia. What? I sincerely want to understand why I need it?
In post #195 you wrote to SPF: "You're more active but producing content that I believe is of substance, and you're trying to scumhunt. It isn't "information over analysis" as yogsloth put it in the previous game." Were you trying to get on SPF's side, or was it genuine?
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/the_shining_gog_mafia_65_return_to_the_stanley_hotel/post195

I would have used "it's a linguistic issue" but I put additional attention telling that it was not a case, I'm Russian, remember it would be an easier trick to shove off any attention by just one post. Mafia would NEVER draw attention to itself, Mafia would check every post twice. I find your arguments doubtful, I understand your point of view, I don't understand why you though I wouldn't have find, I don't know, a BETTER solution maybe.

Yes, he also derpcleared me 2 times and named Town 4 times. And after a hammer incident he was quick to take his distance from me. But he was STUPID to not answer my basic questions and to ask to shut my mounth before I first blamed ZFR, GR and SPF for not voting.
So is this really your best candidate? I'm asking because surely you can do better, anyone else? If not now, maybe by this evening (CET time) you'll think of something, yes?

You are very kind for not blaming me for that at least. And thank you for you answers.

You just gained a few more Scum points from me.

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eh?

answering questions of those you suspect is a sign of... scumbuddies?

I...

what?

Just a head's up(and not to sound too rude by saying this).....you seem to be making a somewhat good case on Pooka(might switch my vote if need be to make sure we get a lynch today if afp's wagon doesn't work out), but questioning people's IRL in such ways is considered a bit "rude" and we usually try to avoid doing it in such games.

Thank you, I suspected I was kind of rude (pissed) but not about that thing. I'll try to comply. So we shouldn't discuss IRL in what way exactly? And we still can use it an excuse, right?

We can mention IRL if it's affecting how we play(how much we can post, etc), and can question others for further info if their stated/listed IRL issues are vague or one needs more info to get what a player meant by what they said(on their irl issues).

One shouldn't, however, call into doubt/question the irl issues other players post....essentially we should take them as truth most if not all times.

Hopefully this is clear enough...if not feel free to ask for more info. :)

It's clear enough.

I don't doubt Pooka's IRL, no (he has work and stuff). I doubt that he can find time to make other posts, but at the same time he can't - for more scum hunting on me. Again he was so quick to find time for "a conflict" thing because it was makes the day "less boring". His motive is to fight boredom, and if it's boring or time consuming he can cover behind IRL. In that case I'm rude.

I'm here, just catching up. Don't do anything without me!

Well, it's similar to my reasons for Microfish. It seemed like you were getting away with low participation and reads that are based on little.

1. That makes no sense at all. To mafia, any lynch that doesn't kill mafia is a good thing.

2. You have a point here. Zazak thought so to as he was attacking me for not being on the Haunter wagons. I'd guess the mafia wouldn't shy away that much from a wagon that seems justified.

3. I appreciate Yogs is in a tricky position having replaced in so late, but I'm quite surprised that he's not asked for the extension and has instead resigned himself to "flying blind". You might have a point here.

Ah yes, this.
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Wow, that's quite a wall of text from Cadaver.
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Nah, that's what Zazak did to ZFR when he "softclaimed". I'm just saying it's not a good idea and letting people take it onboard or ignore it as they want.

It was a cumulative thing, eventually it was enough to make me speak up about it. I didn't want to point fingers at anyone specifically though.

Well the first thing that comes to mind is catching your 'slip', but now you mention it there is less than I thought there was. Hmmm.

When I wrote that, I don't think yogs had even shown up properly yet. I may have foolishly assumed that he would be asking for the extension.

For your information, my prole is very definite.

Ok, I'm going to post this and then read the last few posts on this page.

Sorry. I meant that you were distancing from him sometimes, and other times helping him. I had seen this unfold in a game outside of GOG, where a more experienced scum player kept guiding a less experienced one publicly, but also distancing from each other whenever possible. Because of how that dynamic played out and the experienced scum's flip, we had caught them both.

Hmm, Pooka's started to look a whole lot worse on page 18. I'd consider switching my vote to him, but I also see GR's come onto the AFP wagon.

Can we have a votecount please?

Hmmmmm. That's a bit less terrible sounding than the way it was worded before.