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ashwald: You're still evading the interrogation part. :P
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zeogold: Where did I ever post about any interrogation of him?
"He seemed more preoccupied with telling us about his domestic situation than about this body." Meaning he was asked about it. Interrogation, interview, questioning, light chitchat before taking him in, whatever you want to call it.
Evidence from the field please

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Questions -
I am not surprised that no clothing was found in the house to match the jumpsuit. But what was he wearing when he was arrested?
Is the "light coloured" jumpsuit unique (company) or a store bought one?

What is Mr WhtieMane's job?
He is law abiding and the job is too?

Was no test run on the blood in the house to determine whom it belongs too?
We have a hunter here, is it even HUMAN blood?

Notes and thoughts -
Gets detained in the field carrying the body, but has no weapon. We never established what he was wearing, or if it was ceased by the police as potential evidence.
He invites the police to his house. Why did they go with him to the house, and not put him in the patrol car and either check the house with him arrested or wait for a second unit to go through the house. What made them go to the house with him, and why was a man dragging a DEAD body not under arrest at this point?

The police talk with him in his house, could he be dazed or intoxicated. He kept talking about his wife, so he kept the conversation in his control either by coercion of the conversation or ignoring the police.
The bell on the washing machine goes off and the defendant and the police go to the washing machine where the defendant is arrested.
He is arrested for potential disposal of evidence in dirty water - not illegal possession of a dead body, attempting to pervert the course of justice or tampering with a crime scene.
I believe our police officers statements are a little misleading. He has missed something quite obvious.

Was the blood found in the house of such a small quantity that the police officer originally missed it when entering the house with the defendant. They were in the house to the room with the washing machine, where blood was found.
Was there any signs of an attempted burglary? The deceased has a mention of burglary on his rap sheet, so I am wondering if or how he could have gained access to the defendants house?
The house was messy / untidy, so if there were space made for a second person in the house as a guest



So:
1-Two men set off a silent alarm at First National Bank.
2-A single guard is sent to see the commotion who confronts and is assaulted by one robber.
3-The robbers mask is removed and the guard finds seconds to fire his gun.
4-This hits the robber "squarely in the chest".
-US security guard, using probably hollow point so as to do as little collateral damage as possible.
-We are not looking at a huge distance so the bullet should have enough force to kill outright.
-But if the jumpsuit is not the only layer of clothing, say a denim jacket or such and or the shot whilst square in the middle hits the ribcage or meets enough resistance. The hollow point may not have penetrated correctly and whilst it will be a kill-shot from internal damage the shot criminal is not yet dead.
5-The other criminal drags away the shot one.
6-For whatever reason dumps / crashes the car and abandons partner.
A/B/C
7-Defendant is caught dragging the body and police are called.
8-The police come and take the defendant home, where he is later arrested.

A) :: Unintentional involvement.
-So say the shot criminal is still alive when dumped / abandoned, barely and see the defendants house. Attempts to do something to save his own life, as he may be dying rather then dead yet.
-Attempts to or does break into the defendants house and then dies.
-Our defendant then decides to hide the body as he has no idea what has killed the man at first and no intentions to be involved with a potential crime when he could just dump the body. He knows he did not kill the man so he is innocent.

B) :: Criminal intent
-The defendant is the other criminal and brings the partner back in an attempt to rescue him. The partner might still at this point be holding onto life.
-Once home or shortly there abouts the partner dies and the defendant is left wondering what to do.
-The defendant attempts to hide the body so drags him out into the field.

C) :: Defendant is the security guard.
-He off camera catches them both down the road, or by chance they decide to break into his house as it is not far away and in giving chase he catches them.
-He gets to them and maybe scares off the other robber or something else.
-He then goes to hide the body in the first place he can think of.
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zeogold: Where did I ever post about any interrogation of him?
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ashwald: "He seemed more preoccupied with telling us about his domestic situation than about this body." Meaning he was asked about it. Interrogation, interview, questioning, light chitchat before taking him in, whatever you want to call it.
Reread the case.
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zeogold: He invited us into his house. Mr. Whitemane, as it happens, lives right beside the field. The house was furnished nicely, but was kind of messy.
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zeogold: Considering that they found Endre in the field and one of the workmen held him as soon as they saw the body, It's reasonable to assume he stayed in the field until the cops arrested him.
He was arrested in the house after being questioned. No mention of arrest in the original post until after the washing machine goes off.

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ashwald: "He seemed more preoccupied with telling us about his domestic situation than about this body." Meaning he was asked about it. Interrogation, interview, questioning, light chitchat before taking him in, whatever you want to call it.
Police officer who did not arrest him at point of contact with a SHOT dead body is worrying. What hillbilly-hick town are we dealing with anyway.
Are we really peers to someone like this?
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EndreWhiteMane:
How did you feel when your wife left?
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zeogold: Considering that they found Endre in the field and one of the workmen held him as soon as they saw the body, It's reasonable to assume he stayed in the field until the cops arrested him.
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011284mm: He was arrested in the house after being questioned. No mention of arrest in the original post until after the washing machine goes off.
Yes, sorry, I meant the cops had arrived/got a handle on things in the field. They began asking him questions at the house and then took him down to the station.
Evidence from the field!

Reminder and observations!

7:55- Water is out (water was out for one hour)
8:55- Workers complete project to restore water- Workers go on break (25 to 30 min break)

Distance- 7 miles away/ About 20 minutes away following speed limits

9:08
- Alarm sounds at bank and assuming the guard was right there and not from a far away location a fight started right there and then
9:16- Washer is turned on

9:20/9:25- Workers notice a man dragging a body, detain man and call police
9:31- Police arrive- Suspect detained
9:41- Washing machine timer goes off- Washing cycle is 25 minutes- Suspect is in custody

Observation-

If you follow the time line it still doesn't make sense. The alarm sounded at 9:08 at which time a fight ensued and the suspects got away. If the captured suspect raced back home over the speed limit he would of made it there by 9:18 instead of 9:28 if following the speed limit. We know that the workers saw the suspect at 9:20/9:25 that would give him about 2 to 7 minutes to remove his clothes, change clothes, load and start the laundry, and drag the body out.... But if the average timer for a full wash cycle is 25 minutes and we know that the timer went off at 9:41 that means he would of put the clothes in the washer at 9:16. Which he would of still been on his way home unless he made it and did all that with in 8 minutes......

Next we established that there was blood in the kitchen, laundry area and a trail leading (possibly) to the fields! But what people aren't factoring in is that the police used phosphorescent light to see the blood. Which means it was cleaned up so what they were viewing wasn't visible to the naked eye just residue. Add to that, that the suspect was/is a bear hunter so the residue could of been blood from past hunting trips!
Post edited January 05, 2016 by Emachine9643
Aright guys, with this clear majority of votes happening, it's pretty apparent that day 3 is going to begin in a few hours. Thing is, we have an issue: our absent juror.
Gamefood would miss out on 2 days of action, meaning he might be quite left behind at this point. He also might slow things down by not being present to vote. This is admittedly partly my fault. I didn't set any participation requirements because I had no idea that this thing would be so popular (honestly, I expected it to bomb due to inactivity). However, at the same time, an audience member, ashwald, has expressed the will to join in, even if he can't be a juror. Therefore, since you guys have the power of the vote, I present to you an option:
Ashwald might be better to have at the moment as an official juror to fill gamefood's absence. Gamefood will not be eliminated, but merely put on the backburner so he can join in again if he so decides (so you don't have to feel bad or like you're pushing him out or anything). If you want ashwald to join in, vote the following:
bring in ashwald
7 votes, and he'll join us.
Alternatively, if you wish to wait, vote the following:
wait for gamefood
I'll keep a tally on the front page.
Post edited January 05, 2016 by zeogold
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zeogold:
Has Food contacted you at all? Or seen any forum activity?
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zeogold:
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Emachine9643: Has Food contacted you at all? Or seen any forum activity?
No to both of those. I begin to suspect foul play. Looks like we might have to hold a second trial soon.
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Emachine9643: Has Food contacted you at all? Or seen any forum activity?
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zeogold: No to both of those. I begin to suspect foul play. Looks like we might have to hold a second trial soon.
Okay my vote is for Ketchum
Bring in ashwald


Also, I'm agreeing more and more with emachine. I don't think Whitemane did it, the timeline is just too tight.
I'm puzzled by

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Emachine9643: 6:55- Water is out (water was out for one hour)
8:55- Workers complete project to restore water- Workers go on break (25 to 30 min break)
If the water was off for one hour and it was restored at 8:55 then it must have been out at 7:55. Why the extra hour?
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madth3: I'm puzzled by

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Emachine9643: 6:55- Water is out (water was out for one hour)
8:55- Workers complete project to restore water- Workers go on break (25 to 30 min break)
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madth3: If the water was off for one hour and it was restored at 8:55 then it must have been out at 7:55. Why the extra hour?
because im not good at math and alcohol numbs the pain.]]

also dont drink to numb the pain it just makes it worse
Evidence from the field, too.