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I hope and pray that Discovery is a return to form for Star Trek
But I dont think the series has much life left in it.

At least in the form that I know it in, I think we are looking at the "Star Warsinzation" of Star Trek in the next few years.
Abramsverse, JJ Trek, Kelvin Timeline (whatever the hell you want to call it) is a clear sign of this.

But all good things come to an end.
Post edited August 08, 2016 by Lord_Kane
I think #2 will be the most likely outcome, but it will depend on how well Discovery goes.

Without the expensive CGI these movies are not worth that much, so I don't think #1 is a plausible outcome.
Plus, I don't think Abrams can do 'modest' when it comes to special effects.

#3, a reboot within a reboot, would probably be too confusing and difficult to sell to the public, let alone producers.

Personally, I want to see much better actors/actresses and more mature writing, in the Star Trek movies. The acting is not good in any of these movies, it's as if someone took the best phrases from the older movies and simply copy-pasted them into these new ones, they almost feels like a parody of the real thing.
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real.geizterfahr:
It's fascinating how distorted the image of Star Trek is in the heads of some people. As if really Star Trek was always only this high-brow thing and never just entertainment and action and fun. There were plenty of episodes that were just that. And the movies were always (except for the very first one) geared more towards that entertainment side of things. Then again, the "true fans" of Star Trek have been shouting "betrayal" at everything new ever since The Next Generation, so this is no surprise.

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Ricky_Bobby: Without the expensive CGI these movies are not worth that much, so I don't think #1 is a plausible outcome.
Plus, I don't think Abrams can do 'modest' when it comes to special effects.
Well, Super 8 (probably still his best movie) had a budget of "only" 50 million, so he can work with something that isn't a huge blockbuster.

#3, a reboot within a reboot, would probably be too confusing and difficult to sell to the public, let alone producers.

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Ricky_Bobby: Personally, I want to see much better actors/actresses and more mature writing, in the Star Trek movies. The acting is not good in any of these movies, it's as if someone took the best phrases from the older movies and simply copy-pasted them into these new ones, they almost feels like a parody of the real thing.
I cannot agree with that. I think the new cast is reall great, in fact it's nothing short of a miracle in my opinion how well they did with recasting an iconic thing like this. And with every movie they seem to be doing better in those roles. Pine is very good, Carl Urban is absolutely spot on, Quinto still fallsshort of Nimoy, but not so much as to make it a problem, Yelchin was great as Chekov and Pegg has improved as Scotty by leaps and bounds. He was pretty bad in the first one, but much better in the second as really good in Beyond. The new Sulu and Uhura didn't really have all that much to do, but they are ok.
Post edited August 08, 2016 by Breja
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Lifthrasil: My guess (and hope) is, that they'll do the fourth Kelvin movie in which they kill off the timeline entirely. The rumor that George Kirk will return would fit that. His son time-travels to prevent the Kelvin incident, kills off Nero before he can do any damage and voila, the original timeline is restored.

Or they get JJ Abrams back and make a Star Trek / Star Wars crossover, just to annoy the hardcore fans of both franchises. :-D
Plot:
Rey slashes through thousands of Klingons while somewhere else Captain Picard talks endlessly, moralizing and philosophical to Kylo Ren until his ears bleed and he voluntarily becomes a good guy again, just so that Picard stops talking.
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anothername: I don't think Star Wars fans are much annoyed. The latest Star Wars was a good Star Wars. The problem IMO with the first 2 new Star Trek is that they where good Star Wars too.
30 years after RotJ the Empire is still around blowing up planets led by a darksider, there are no Jedi, and the original heroes have failed miserably at building a better galaxy (and possibly in their personal life too) the moment the Ep VI credits rolled, to the point they raised a Darth Idiot Wannabe (and I´m asuming this is also ripping off Dark Empire so they didn´t manage to raise him a space nazi too). And now the new main characters have to clear their mess.

Already went through that bs with the Legacy of the Force books, and now they make it the new canon.

More on topic, I liked the new ST films, but they are just fun sf films, which is good enough, but they don´t seem to aim higher than that. I prefer space operas a bit more ambitious.

And there have been comic book crossovers with at least Dr Who and Green Lantern.
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Nerevar.220: And there have been comic book crossovers with at least Dr Who and Green Lantern.
Well, The Doctor has been about everywhere. We already had a Doctor Who / Shadowrun crossover too. :-)
Regarding Star Trek: Discoveries I don't understand how nobody noticed that its abbrevation is... STD. Quite an omen.
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HappyUnicorn: Regarding Star Trek: Discoveries I don't understand how nobody noticed that its abbrevation is... STD. Quite an omen.
The team actually abbreviates it "DSC" but I dont take abbrevations as omens, I take the pilot as an omen. as STD can also mean "Standard"
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anothername: I don't think Star Wars fans are much annoyed. The latest Star Wars was a good Star Wars. The problem IMO with the first 2 new Star Trek is that they where good Star Wars too.
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Nerevar.220: 30 years after RotJ the Empire is still around blowing up planets led by a darksider, there are no Jedi, and the original heroes have failed miserably at building a better galaxy (and possibly in their personal life too) the moment the Ep VI credits rolled, to the point they raised a Darth Idiot Wannabe (and I´m asuming this is also ripping off Dark Empire so they didn´t manage to raise him a space nazi too). And now the new main characters have to clear their mess.

Already went through that bs with the Legacy of the Force books, and now they make it the new canon.

More on topic, I liked the new ST films, but they are just fun sf films, which is good enough, but they don´t seem to aim higher than that. I prefer space operas a bit more ambitious.

And there have been comic book crossovers with at least Dr Who and Green Lantern.
Which reminds me... one of the Dr. Who showrunners once said there was never considereation of an on-screen crossover with Trek (Comics was done twice AFAIK) since they never run at the same time... if neither gets cancelled and Dr. Who does not extends his break for another year that should be the first chance after x amount of decades :D
I'm somewhat indifferent. I liked watching TOS, I watched all of TNG even though I thought it started horribly and even when it was less cringe-worthy it was boring until the fifth season. I saw the first seasons of DS9 (and was a B5 fan), and haven't watched any series since to any significant extent, although I did watch all the movies.

I enjoy the new movies. I feel they (the two I saw; haven't yet watched Beyond, which only starts here on the 25th of this month) were good homages to the original series, and I like them (quite a bit) at that level. However I'm not that much of a Star Trek fan to actually care that much whether they continue or we just get another reboot 10 years from now. I'm pretty bad at content consumption, be that games, series or movies. From my point of view 10 years aren't much different than 3 years, and if I do want Star Trek there's quite a bit of content I haven't watched yet (2.5 series plus the remastered original).
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anothername: Which reminds me... one of the Dr. Who showrunners once said there was never considereation of an on-screen crossover with Trek (Comics was done twice AFAIK) since they never run at the same time... if neither gets cancelled and Dr. Who does not extends his break for another year that should be the first chance after x amount of decades :D
Well they did both run in the 60s, but back then no one had crazy ideas like that I guess. And the last three seasons of the classic Who (with Sylvester McCoy) aired when the first three season of The Next Generation did.
I honestly can't see Star Trek coming back as a serious player until they appeal to kids. I remember TNG having a great toyline etc, something that kids don't have anymore. Beyond is a good movie, hell my son has turned into a Trekkie because of it. Unfortunately he has had to come to grips with the fact that unlike Star Wars, there is very little in it for kids. No toys, no games, no lunch boxes, school bags, colouring books etc.

I'm not saying the movie/show content should be as cheesy and immature as Star Wars but if kids want to watch it, their parents will likely watch it with them and with that comes a lot more viewers and money.
Post edited August 08, 2016 by darthspudius
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anothername: Which reminds me... one of the Dr. Who showrunners once said there was never considereation of an on-screen crossover with Trek (Comics was done twice AFAIK) since they never run at the same time... if neither gets cancelled and Dr. Who does not extends his break for another year that should be the first chance after x amount of decades :D
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Breja: Well they did both run in the 60s, but back then no one had crazy ideas like that I guess. And the last three seasons of the classic Who (with Sylvester McCoy) aired when the first three season of The Next Generation did.
I'm not sure about the exact quote; was something I stumbled upon a few years ago. But all the more reason if its missed chances :)

"Resistance wil be EXTEERMINATED!" :D
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EndlessWaves: Yeah, copyright is too long and needs to be reduced to 40 years or so. Go and lobby your MP or corresponding political representative.
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Breja: I don't think I agree with that. For one thing, I don't think a dozen different versions of Star Trek flying around would do much good for the franchise. For another, if I created something, a popular franchise or character, I would not like seeing it taken from me in my old age and given freely to every schmuck who wants to leech of my work.
Er… Do you get to the local libraries much? And used-book stores? There are so many books set in the Star Trek universe over the past few decades that I find it hard to believe that distortion and contradictions haven't happened already.

OTOH, if nobody has noticed, then I guess those books didn't really count.
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darthspudius: I honestly can't see Star Trek coming back as a serious player until they appeal to kids. I remember TNG having a great toyline etc, something that kids don't have anymore. Beyond is a good movie, hell my son has turned into a Trekkie because of it. Unfortunately he has had to come to grips with the fact that unlike Star Wars, there is very little in it for kids. No toys, no games, no lunch boxes, school bags, colouring books etc.

I'm not saying the movie/show content should be as cheesy and immature as Star Wars but if kids want to watch it, their parents will likely watch it with them and with that comes a lot more viewers and money.
That's weird. I would have thought there would be plenty of toys to go along with the movies. I though the only reason I'm not seeing any is that Star Trek just isn't popular in Poland, and it never was. But I was sure that they exist, and plenty of them. I thought toys are so important now that the toy sales alone can actually make or break a movie or a tv series. And they aren't even making any? I remember there being a lot of cool toys from TNG, and probably the other TNG-era shows too. I even have a TNG shuttlecraft model and action figures from the Generations movie on my desk right now :D
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EndlessWaves: Yeah, copyright is too long and needs to be reduced to 40 years or so. Go and lobby your MP or corresponding political representative.
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Breja: I don't think I agree with that. For one thing, I don't think a dozen different versions of Star Trek flying around would do much good for the franchise. For another, if I created something, a popular franchise or character, I would not like seeing it taken from me in my old age and given freely to every schmuck who wants to leech of my work.
But if you're not doing any work - i.e. if it's been 40 years since you wrote the song or whatever - should you earn money from it? People typically stop working and earning money in their old age, it's called retirement, so that's not really that different.

There's also other reasons to have a more sensible copyright length than we do now.

The whole point of copyright is to provide a limited monopoly as incentive for inventors, and then the creation becomes the property of the public so that the general culture is enriched. Under our current laws, we've lost access to most of the cultural production of the 20th century. It's under copyright so we can't freely reproduce it, but it's not commercially viable enough to be worth reprinting. The end result is that most of it is not available anywhere. That's a ton of our cultural heritage that's been wiped out, a result diametrically opposed to the reason behind copyright.

Also, our current copyright laws are basically 100% due to corruption. Copyright used to expire at 28 years for a very long time, until Disney realized that it was in danger of losing the Mickey Mouse copyright. They bought out as many legislatures as they could and got extensions passed. They do this every time Mickey Mouse comes up for expiration. It's a travesty of how the legislative process is supposed to work.
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Breja: I don't think I agree with that. For one thing, I don't think a dozen different versions of Star Trek flying around would do much good for the franchise. For another, if I created something, a popular franchise or character, I would not like seeing it taken from me in my old age and given freely to every schmuck who wants to leech of my work.
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thomq: Er… Do you get to the local libraries much? And used-book stores? There are so many books set in the Star Trek universe over the past few decades that I find it hard to believe that distortion and contradictions haven't happened already.
+1

Not to mention fanfiction and daydreams. Also the contradictions between the different movies and TV series.

People typically understand the difference between offshoots of fictional universes. It happens in all big franchises and isn't really a problem. Just take a look at comics - if people were typically put off by wacky offshoot universes, comics would have died off completely with the 3rd time travel or cloning plot.
Post edited August 08, 2016 by Gilozard