Germany took over some Italians suffering severely from Covid-19, who would otherwise have inevitably died in Italy...Germany also took in French patients, facing the same fate.
So - Germany seems to live the spirit of the European Union more than some others.
that's only the basics like when China sent here masks and a team of doctors to help. that was not expected from them, but if you are in europe that's only the basics, I know every country in europe can do more for others.
if they really live the spirit of the European Union and they don't want eurobonds in this emergency moment they can offer a loan at 0% interest to italy for the same amount that is needed to help people.
I understand your country and you are going through something tragic at this time, but I think you are being a bit too harsh to Germany and others during this crisis. My understanding is that nobody actually donated masks or ventilators to Italy when they were requesting them, from the EU, no EU country. But some countries helped in other ways, like someone mentioned. Germany took some covid-19 patients from Italy to treat them.
You are wrong, China not only sent masks they also sent a team of doctors to help people with covid 19.
Eurobonds are very controversial. It's too soon for them. Mutual debt and credit, but no mutual liability? The less indebted cover for the more indebted?
In this real crysis moment this is what europe is for: stronger countries should help countries that are not that strong. After all after the fall of the berlin wall the East German mark was guaranteed the same value as that of the West precisely because of the spirit of solidarity.
Also, this is not a definitive Eurobond, they are just a tool for this specific moment where debt is the only way to solve the problem and where you cannot cut anything if you don't want people to starve.
the fact that you lose even more precious time for a solidarity that should always be there is something that I will never be able to understand.
In Italy there have been several factions for and against Europe for several years now, but those who have always believed in it and who have tried to reduce the debt first of all (with anti-popular policies that have continuously hindered the achievement of a full popular support) have always believed that in times of real emergency the rest of Europe would be there.
It is no coincidence that at this moment all Italian parties agree that the only way is a common debt at least once.
But it wasn't just Italy.
Also France, Spain, Portugal, Ireland, Greece, Slovenia, Belgium, Luxembourg.
Mario Draghi and even Ursula von der Leyen have spoken out in favor.
In a normal situation I understand very well that a common debt is a matter of trust that cannot become reality until countries have comparable debts.
But not in real emergency situations. If you want to be united in a real union then this is the time to prove it. Otherwise the countries you have turned your back on could found another Europe much closer to its people.
Overly rigorous policies for years have mostly had the effect of making people poorer and less likely to trust Europe and others.
To continue on this path even in such a situation means to want to be alone.
Even those who have always believed in a united Europe are changing their minds. I am among them.
Letting one's own fellow citizen die of hunger (because we are European citizens) in an emergency is unacceptable, even if in the past the latter made mistakes.
I add and conclude. The Italians, unlike their own state, have very few debts. I myself, my family, my friends, have never contracted any debt. The house is owned and we prefer debit cards instead of borrowing with credit cards. Private debt is among the lowest in Europe, the propensity to save very high.
We are already paying for the mistakes and wastes of those who have governed us in the past (our taxes are among the highest in the world), at this moment, however, it is not time to think about public debt. This is the time to save lives which is much more important.
If Germany and the others want to help, give us the opportunity to borrow money at zero or negative rates, because a lot of money will be needed to face this moment and the crisis immediately after. Otherwise we will do it alone or with the help of countries that are truly our allies.
I believe the time will come for that in a more federalised EU, but asking basically Germany (plus some other northern EU countries) to guarantee debt and let other countries borrow at a reduced rate, that would not normally be possible - needs a lot more framework for liability and what happens if they end up defaulting / resulting in a sovereign debt crisis.
Apart from the fact that it is not asked to act as guarantors only to northern Europe countries. All European countries will act as guarantors, Italy itself will act as guarantor for others (and so far it has never defaulted, despite being the victim of speculation for a long time) and the very fact that all are guarantors will greatly lower the rate. Indeed, I am convinced that countries that refuse to do so may not even participate ... if debt were issued between the only 9 countries that decided to make eurobonds, the interest rate would still be zero or negative, perhaps even lower than that of Germany (which therefore has everything to gain).
The good news is, there may be other ways to get cheap credit from the EU - I read that 2% of GDP can be received from the EU stability fund/mechanism, which is the recommended and discussed method by the German finance minister and Dutch and some others who object to Eurobonds. That fund is worth half a trillion euro, and now seems a good time to use it. They might need more, so what they are discussing is going to the financial markets to raise more, basically issuing 'corona bonds'. This is in addition to the EU stimulus package.
We will see what happens, if the EU comes together or grows apart during the crisis.
If it were so simple, Italy and the other countries would have accepted immediately.
What Germany want Italy to use is the MES, which however serves to correct the economy with reforms that would definitely kill the country at this time.
"united and supportive Europe" = "German taxpayers should guarantee the debts of states over whose fiscal policies they have no control".
This way of thinking is the same as the Salvini-style nationalists here. Everyone closed in his own garden thinking about his own things.
If this is the Europe you want, it is a good thing that will end and you will be alone.
So when you find yourself in a moment of difficulty we will answer the same "why Italy taxpayers should help germany that always tried to impose itself with an economic Nazism in other european countries?".
I remain for a united and supportive Europe, where individual people feel part of a single nation and when they pay taxes they do it for all of Europe, not just for their own garden.
If all this is utopia then it is right to get out of it.
I add and conclude. I personally have no debt, I pay a lot of taxes and work. Reasoning like you I could simply move to another country and continue to live without problems even if Italy in the meantime goes down the drain.
I don't think so. As far as I'm concerned, you need to be as supportive as possible. They educated me like this.