Oh well, you just have to know about the Rotherham case to know the shit has already hit the fan.....

For non-UK people who don't know the story (warning, infuriating things inside):
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-28939089

Bill Donohue from the Catholic League agrees with Hiphish:

http://www.catholicleague.org/muslims-right-angry/

I can just quote myself from the radicalism thread: I grew up and still live in the city with the biggest muslim culture in Germany and one of the biggest in Europe, so I'm not somebody observing from the outside. Many of my customers are born muslims, some don't approve with this religion too, because it's full of hatred from the very core.

If you want to do something about radicalism, you first have to look for yourself where its roots are.
It's not hard to get a hold of a translation of the quran and even the most friendly ones are still evil and don't go well with humanism and human rights at all.

People should finally start getting to know what they are talking about.
I'm referring to stuff like this from those "holy scriptures":
"Sūra 2, Āya 190-193"
"Sūra 2, Āya 216-217"
"Sūra 2, Āya 223"
"Sūra 3, Āya 86-91"
"Sūra 4, Āya 34"
"Sūra 4, Āya 89"
"Sūra 5, Āya 38"
"Sūra 8, Āya 12"
"Sūra 8, Āya 17"
"Sūra 9, Āya 5"
"Sūra 9, Āya 14"
"Sūra 9, Āya 29"
"Sūra 9, Āya 111"
"Sūra 9, Āya 113"
"Sūra 16, Āya 10"
"Sūra 17, Āya 33"
"Sūra 24, Āya 2"
"Sūra 24, Āya 62"
"Sūra 33, Āya 61"
"Sūra 40, Āya 10"
"Sūra 41, Āya 24"
"Sūra 44, Āya 16"
"Sūra 47, Āya 4"
"Sūra 48, Āya 20"
"Sūra 48, Āya 29"
"Sūra 60, Āya 1"
"Sūra 61, Āya 4"
"Sūra 61, Āya 9"
"Sūra 98, Āya 6"
If you really live like this, you are a true moslem and a terrorist.

I really can't understand why people are defending this stuff and are claiming they are doing it for peace and against fascism, while they are actively supporting and defending war, murder and fascism.

A new assault against policemen : http://www.europe1.fr/faits-divers/un-policier-victime-d-une-fusillade-a-montreuil-2338127 (Sorry, it's in French)

Yeah, because it's not like the same kinds of people who are currently ripping each other's asses off would be doing so in a society devoid of any religious beliefs. It's not like the most radical and destructive political movements in history were atheist in nature. And it's not like many modern atheist movements are taking on cult form and embrace dogmas. Someone who believes that eliminating religion and any form of spirituality would magically result in a more civilized society and is insane enough to spew lines like "just nuke them all!" is so different from and more sophisticated than a jihadist who believes that we'd get heaven on Earth if only all infidels were destroyed or converted.

This is bullshit and you know it, National Socialism and Fascism are religious/spiritual ideologies in essence, and communist states were never "atheist", they were simply non-religious (religious practice was allowed or restricted to certain extents), and any atrocities committed were not done in the name of atheism but for various political reasons. The difference is that Islamic State and other jihadists have committed by far the worst atrocities of this century and in a very short space of time, and they are explicitly doing so in the name of God.

You really think Stalin sent people to gulags for being religious? Lol.

Good thing that I find atheism to be equal as shit as religions then.

I'll take that as a compliment. :p

What do you anti-religious people have against (true) buddhist and daoist monks?

Coming from a previously communist craphole where religion, more specifically, the orthodox shit was basically a requirement to be considered a person, where every sense of individuality and personality where repressed, I agree to disagree that communistic shits were / are not religious.

And if Those aliens should dare being employed, they are stealing your jobs!!! AND WOMEN!!!

It would be a lot nicer if they were employed, atleast they'd stop selling drugs and breaking into peoples houses for money!

Not at all, atheists just desperately look for signs of religion in these movements to distance themselves from them, oblivious to the fact that any religious beliefs present and tolerated within them were going to be eliminated in the long run and actually considered "poison" to society by most people running the show.

That atheism was not the cause does not mean that the cause wasn't atheistic in nature. I'm not saying that people will kill in the name of atheism itself, I'm saying that atheists kill in the name of other values which are analogous to religious dogmas.

How do you measure that? The West has done terrible things in the wake of 9/11 which accumulatively cost at least several hundred thousand cilivans their lives, some estimates going up to more than a million. Then there was Abu Ghreib and Guantanamo, more recently attempts to introduce total surveillance in our own society surfaced. Israel has been using human shields (a practice they officially abolished only a few years ago but which keeps getting rerported from time to time to this day), specificaly targeting civilian structures, using mines shaped like toys to specifically target children, is denying the Palestinians humanitarian aid etc.. They retaliated for two captured IDF soldiers with an offensive in 2006 that cost more than a thousand Lebanese civilians their lives and wounded another four and a half thousand. Oddly enough none of this seems to be considered an atrocity if it's done by people wearing uniforms.

Oh no, I very much believe that violence works and am perfectly aware that we have achieved many good things via violent revolutions and the use of military force in key moments throughout history and firmly believe that there are and will be enemies who can only be defeated via military force. It's kinda funny, though, that you praise the French revolution while measuring islamists by their atrocities. What do you think the revolutionists did to their enemies? And not only their enemies but also others who just didn't support their cause? These double standards and disability to see the flaws and guilt of the West are what sickens me.

Why does extremists always debate with reasonable people in these threads both blaming politically correct people who simply do not read them ?

Oh. Well. I believe you don't feel concerned because you don't belong to minorities who suffered of far right governments. So don't talk about something you don't know nor don't care.

Well, some US states have that. In 2015.

Sure. But how about LGBT rights? Do what does that "so good Western Christianity that even the christian integrists and far right people are acceptable" you are calling then?
Do I need to recall when segregationism was officially abolished (even though the question isn't clear for some people even today)?

I don't believe you when you say you are atheist.
Because the first thing an atheist knows is that each integrism is the same. No religion has "better" integrists than another.
No school of thought has "better" fanatics than another.
Every fanatics are the same kind of being. Period.

I'm just sitting here and ask myself only this one question: Why do always the wrong guys die first while their butchers are laughing? Alll those who love peace, they tend be among the dead first. It just doesn't seem fair or very satisfying.

I could understand if France and the whole world increases security and armed police in the streets but also intelligence and the like. Even a more consequent approach of IS in Syria might be reasonable.

On the other hand it's also important to show the Mohammed caricatures at least as often as before. If the fear of terrorism subdues millions of people these guys at Charlie Hebdo died for nothing.

The game that is played is peaceful people all over the world against all the brutal, inhuman butchers everywhere - and they exist really everywhere. Torture in America, crazy Norwegians, Islamic fanatics, Hitler, ... you find them everywhere. Would be nice if the good guys would have a bit more ambition and guts to fight against the bad guys.