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The fact is that these shitheads can't hide except with the help of the muslim community in France, because that's where they'll be hiding.
not the first time, attacked in 2011
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I'm going to post something many people here won't like to read, so let me preface it with the obvious disclaimer that I would never support such acts of violence.

But... Charlie Hebdo had it coming and they should be glad that there were not even more people killed. As a reminder, the magizine has been shitting on everyone and everything, and that doesn't make them any better, to the contrary, it just makes them even worse people. There have been lawsuits from many parties that got insulted, and every civilised attempt to reason with them has failed. All that is left now are the uncivilised methods.

Freedomo of Speech is a nice concept on paper, but it has its limits just as everything has. Freedom of Speech means the government is not allowed to put you in prison for criticising it, not that you are allowed to shit on everyone and everything with no consequences. The fact that Charlie Hebdo has been getting away for so long with this behaviour is a testimony to how rotten western morale has become.

This isn't the first time that Charlie Hebdo has suffered a terrorist attack, but they just had to keep pushing it. Now they got to feel the consequences. I don't like that it had to come to this, but the tragedy could have been avoided by putting limits in place. If you keep provoking a reaction don't come crying when you do receive a reaction.
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infinite9: I hope these criminals are found and killed. I hope anyone who collaborated with them are arrested. I hope more people in Europe wake up and recognize the enemy that is within their borders and that it is time to quit tolerating those who have neither any tolerance for freedom of expression nor any tolerance for the ethnic European peoples.
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Soccorro: Care to explain? Enemies within? Ethnic europeans?
The enemies are the militant Islamists and those who support them like the so called "moderate Muslims" who allow them to hide in plain sight and the cultural Marxists who invite them into these nations regardless of the lousy effects it has on poverty, employment, earnings, cost of living, and violent crime rates. I mention this because of Norway's gang rape epidemic that was caused by 3rd world immigrants raping ethnic Norse women and that only got somewhat resolved when new Norwegian politicians came into office and started throwing the savages in prison and out of the country. I also mention this because of the violent crimes that took place in Sweden revolving around immigrant degenerates and the other violent crimes across Europe.

The ethnic Europeans refers to people of either Teutonic (Nordic, Saxon, Dane, Jute, etc.), Celtic, Slavic, Italian, Greek, Spanish, and any other heritage that lived in Europe for well over twenty or thirty thousand years according to many archaeologists. In other words the people who make up the white race.
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HiPhish:
Hold on a minute...are you seriously trying to blame the victims here? For real? I'm not going to downrate your post (I never do, not my style) but I feel compelled to disagree most strongly.
It's exactly political correctness such as this that is so dangerous because it's a basic capitulation. If you start to censor for fear of offending, you have already lost. There is no such a thing as the right not to be offended. Feeling offended is always a choice.
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infinite9: I hope these criminals are found and killed. I hope anyone who collaborated with them are arrested. I hope more people in Europe wake up and recognize the enemy that is within their borders and that it is time to quit tolerating those who have neither any tolerance for freedom of expression nor any tolerance for the ethnic European peoples.
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mistermumbles: Easier said than done. As far as I understand it, France has a relatively large number of a muslim immigrant population. It doesn't help that a lot of the younger people among them seem to feel disadvantaged and put down by the French government as shown by past riots and whatnot. So some of that anger is quite likely due to very legitimate reasons. That said, that kind of violence and destruction only seems to make matters worse for them.

In any case, looking for a few real extremists in that kind of environment is like trying to find the proverbial needle in a haystack.
There was no legitimate reason for them to riot. They were just upset because the French government at the time felt that it was time to stop giving them so much tax (stolen) money. They were basically marauders and savages.

As for finding the extremists, I propose the following...
Attachments:
God gave man the wonderful gift of free will. What a terrible thing he did with it today.
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infinite9: There was no legitimate reason for them to riot. They were just upset because the French government at the time felt that it was time to stop giving them so much tax (stolen) money. They were basically marauders and savages.
Well said.
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awalterj: ...
This has nothing to do with political correctness, but with common courtesy and respect. You know that it is forbidden in Islam to depict Mohammed and that it upsets people, and that's precisely why you're doing it. It's like the bully kid who will keep tormenting the nerd but never leave visible marks so he can always hide behind the teacher. At least until the nerd kid gets fed up with the shit and strikes back. The person to blame is not the bully, it's the teacher who kept protecting the bully.

Here is the deal: immigrants, muslims, jews, orthodox christians, buddhists, they are all good enough for western Europeans to clean up their shit, but when they also want to be themselves they have to "integrate" (i.e. assimilate). You think all the muslims would be glad to come over to clean up after you but leave their religion and culture behind? Just recently in Germany politicians have been trying to force immigrants by law to speak German at home. Of course there is no way they could actually enforce that but just the fact that such a law was being considered is abhorrent. Especially when actual experts who know their stuff always encourage parents to speak their native language at home and let children pick up proper German in kindergarten or at school.

I'm not saying one should give in to every little demand for political correctness. I would defend every academic's right to use depictions of Mohammed for scientific purpose. But this was just pure provocation. You cannot shit on people and expect them to be grateful to you for shitting on them. There is a proverb in German that goes something like "they way you make your bed is the way you lie" and these men have been making their bed for years.
Post edited January 07, 2015 by HiPhish
Would have wished for such an uproar, when Klein ordered the death of 142 afghani civilians in 2009. instead he got promoted.
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awalterj: ...
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HiPhish: This has nothing to do with political correctness, but with common courtesy and respect. You know that it is forbidden in Islam to depict Mohammed and that it upsets people, and that's precisely why you're doing it. It's like the bully kid who will keep tormenting the nerd but never leave visible marks so he can always hide behind the teacher. At least until the nerd kid gets fed up with the shit and strikes back. The person to blame is not the bully, it's the teacher who kept protecting the bully.

Here is the deal: immigrants, muslims, jews, orthodox christians, buddhists, they are all good enough for western Europeans to clean up their shit, but when they also want to be themselves they have to "integrate" (i.e. assimilate). You think all the muslims would be glad to come over to clean up after you but leave their religion and culture behind? Just recently in Germany politicians have been trying to force immigrants by law to speak German at home. Of course there is no way they could actually enforce that but just the fact that such a law was being considered is abhorrent. Especially when actual experts who know their stuff always encourage parents to speak their native language at home and let children pick up proper German in kindergarten or at school.

I'm not saying one should give in to every little demand for political correctness. I would defend every academic's right to use depictions of Mohammed for scientific purpose. But this was just pure provocation. You cannot shit on people and expect them to be grateful to you for shitting on them. There is a proverb in German that goes something like "they way you make your bed is the way you lie" and these men have been making their bed for years.
You have the right to express your opinion. And I have the right to think that your opinion is despicable.

To say that guys at Charlie Hebdo "had it coming" is despicable. Because it's basically saying that drawing a picture justifies to be killed. As far as I know, Charlie Hebdo never killed anybody with their pencils, never called anybody to kill anybody else.

What you fail to understand is that they were criticizing intolerance and extremism, not Islam. They criticized as violently the christian extremists, jewish extremists, etc...

Because it is all about freedom of speech. If you start to say "yes, freedom of speech is good, but there are some topics you should not talk about", you basically negate freedom of speech.

To be honest, I didn't agree with many things Charlie Hebdo published these last years. I think they were trying too hard, that often it missed the point. But never, never, I thought that "they had it coming".
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HiPhish: This has nothing to do with political correctness, but with common courtesy and respect.
I find a big difference between disrespect on one side and mass-murder on the other.
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Phish is right. And while were on it tell girls to stop wearing scanty clothing, it only means they want to be raped. And you know if your wife would shut up you wouldn't be forced to beat the shit out of her. And once more, stop making your fucking buildings so tall, you are just begging someone to fly a plane into them.
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awalterj: ...
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HiPhish: This has nothing to do with political correctness/////
Sorry for editing your posts so harshly, I just wanted to say I upvoted them because they are quite right.

Regardless of the terrible events that transpired in France today, there is an important lesson there.

If you keep taking the piss out of a crazy fucker and he tells you to stop, but you keep on doing it, bad things are going to happen.

I'm not offering an excuse or a moral arbitration, but apparently they were firebombed before and a lot of their key personnel were under police protection (apparently some of their police bodyguards were also killed). This was something coming down the tracks and could have been avoided with a bit of common sense. You can quote the whole Freedom of Speech thing, but was it worth their deaths? Nope and their families and loved ones will take cold comfort in any freedom of speech arguments.

Freedom of Speech is an entirely different thing to satire. Depicting a revered religious in the way some satirists have done, knowing that it is considered blasphemy by some really crazy people and continuing to do it, is not freedom of speech, it is utter provocation to these people, causing the murderous assault on their offices today.

Sorry if this offends anybody, it was not meant to, its a serious observation entirely on my part..
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Riotact: Freedom of Speech is an entirely different thing to satire. Depicting a revered religious in the way some satirists have done, knowing that it is considered blasphemy by some really crazy people and continuing to do it, is not freedom of speech, it is utter provocation to these people, causing the murderous assault on their offices today.
It might be provocation, it might be satire, BUT: Every religion, every single person should be able to live with that without running around and killing people.
There will always be people that say/write/draw things you find shitty, you find horrible but if you want to stop them use the ways the law offers you. Sue them or whatever.
If the laws don't offer you that way, rally up and try to change the laws.
Use your anger productively.
Don't kill people.

Provocation and anger might be the reason for this tragedy, but they aren't an excuse.