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love how im being down rated for saying the truth if you guys love steam so much why are you on GOG
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amok: steam in itself is not DRM, so no
Yes, Steam is DRM.
https://crackwatch.com/drm/steam
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moobot83: love how im being down rated for saying the truth if you guys love steam so much why are you on GOG
Clearly, if we dare make the mistake to buy from stores other than GOG, we'll need to stop posting here.
If I will put up with Steam depends on how bad I want to play the Steam exclusive title in question.

Hell, if Starcraft III or Warcraft IV is released I might even put up with things I'm not proud of.
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moobot83: love how im being down rated for saying the truth if you guys love steam so much why are you on GOG
Who says anything about loving Steam? And since when does having games on GOG, mean that I can't have some others on Steam? No, you're not being down-rated for saying the truth! You're being down rated for being such a dumbass to draw idiotic conclusions and for being an asshole about others disagreeing with you.

Actually, I had not even down rated you at all. I had only given you my opinion. But NOW I'm going to down-rate you. And not only once, but EVERY post from you that I find. Just because you asked for it.
Post edited February 16, 2019 by Bobo_Sims
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I haven't supported the outdated steam engine DRM for years. My machine remains clean of the stuff. Also, just because it has a very small amount of games without DRM, doesn't make it "not DRM."

Back to OP, I disagree with their view on Battle.net. It is DRM, not convenience. Good luck playing Blizzard games without it.
You got it, moobot83.
It is sad to me that OP got downvoted/downrated for what I would generally say is speaking the truth (except I second PookaMustard in pointing out that Battlenet is also DRM). And I love how people act as though the Scheme gaming service having a very small fraction of games that can be played DRM-free, after jumping through multiple hoops and hoping the games have not been updated to now include DRM, is somehow a way to point out that "Steam isn't necessarily DRM". While technically true, this misses the forest for the trees. Steam (Scheme, as I call it) is the de facto DRM monopoly of gaming. And nevermind the fact that people making excuses for Steam is why we got to where we are now. In my opinion, those who don't care about DRM in their games are akin to the "whales" who have caused microtransactions to fester. They are oblivious, or worse blissful, of the fact that their choices have profoundly affected the market for the worse.
The only real reason I still purchase games from Steam is: REGIONAL PRICING

That is all.
Post edited February 16, 2019 by GZulu
You really think that the vast majority that buys every shiny new game that is infested with the anti-consumer Denuvo DRM would actually care enough to stop buying games on Steam due to DRM?

We need to educate more people about the plague that is Denuvo instead so that they would hopefully stop buying games with it, rather then the unreal expectation of preventing them from buying games on Steam where they have the bulk of their games.
Post edited February 16, 2019 by stg83
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moobot83: the more of you who buy games on steam, the longer DRM will continue, you DO NOT buy your games on steam you pay triple A prices (unless sale) to rent your games, thats right you dnt own your games cos steam games are not DRM free like GOG is, yes GOG has a client but you dnt need it to play games, where as with steam you have to have the client installed to play 98% of games ofc there are a few wehre u dnt need the steam client but you have to modify the install files.

its time to stop supporting steam,orgin etc and all these other DRM clients, i do not count battle net in this cos they only host there own games unlike steam or origin so its more of a convieniance than actual DRM
Apparently you don't understand what DRM is if you consider Steam, Origin et al bad and Battle.net (and I can only presume UPlay since they function like Battle.net) good.
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amok: steam in itself is not DRM, so no
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Sebatrox: Yes, Steam is DRM.
https://crackwatch.com/drm/steam
No, it is not. The DRM in Steamworks is called CEG, and it is up to the publisher whether they want to use it or not. If they don;t, you can publish games DRM free on Steam, there are many DRM free games there.
I buy my games only here now
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PookaMustard: Back to OP, I disagree with their view on Battle.net. It is DRM, not convenience. Good luck playing Blizzard games without it.
Joke's on you, I still have Warcraft 2, Starcraft and Warcraft 3 + expansions DRM-free working like a charm. But then again, I guess cd-keys 'could' count as some form of DRM.

But I get your point, modern games from Blizzard are a pain in the ass with the battle.net client.
Post edited February 16, 2019 by DadJoke007
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moobot83: love how im being down rated for saying the truth if you guys love steam so much why are you on GOG
Mate, it's a storefront, not a cult.