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moobot83: ...
Ok nowadays I buy 99% of my games from GOG, but somehow I've still amassed around 477 on Steam over the years.

Then again, most of those games were not bought from the Steam store itself but as e.g. Humble Bundle keys or from Greenmangaming, and my understanding is that Valve doesn't (directly) get a dime from Steam games bought from other sources like those above.

Also, nowadays almost all of my Steam gaming is to play a "free-to-play" online game called Team Fortress 2. I've spent only 30 cents on it over the years, to get one item in order to enable an expanded inventory and enable the competitive mode. The last other Steam game (other than TF2) I recall playing was Age of Empires 3.

Am I still ok, or am I supposed to cut any ties to Steam? Mind you, I have 1669 on GOG now, much more than on Steam, so I've done my fair share, yaaa?
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Thunker: I buy my games only here now
I buy my games wherever they are cheapest and that just happens to be steam unfortunately!
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moobot83: love how im being down rated for saying the truth if you guys love steam so much why are you on GOG
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Linko64: Mate, it's a storefront, not a cult.
Yeah with annoying Etra's no one asked for like Greenlight god that shit is annoying.
Post edited February 17, 2019 by fr33kSh0w2012
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i mean im wiating for sniper elite v2 on GOG but atm i hajve it on xbox 360 but i drather have it here on GOG
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moobot83: i mean im wiating for sniper elite v2 on GOG but atm i hajve it on xbox 360 but i drather have it here on GOG
Just for fun - define DRM
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DRM - games that require a launcher to play
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moobot83: DRM - games that require a launcher to play
ergo - steam is not drm as many games on steam do not need the launcher. Cheers

/end thread
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moobot83: DRM - games that require a launcher to play
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amok: ergo - steam is not drm as many games on steam do not need the launcher. Cheers

/end thread
So, can you play Bioshock without Steam? NO.
Can you play Bioshock without GOG Galaxy? YES.

EOT.
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amok: ergo - steam is not drm as many games on steam do not need the launcher. Cheers

/end thread
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Sebatrox: So, can you play Bioshock without Steam? NO.
Can you play Bioshock without GOG Galaxy? YES.

EOT.
I played Bioshock without steam because I bought the disk!
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Sebatrox: So, can you play Bioshock without Steam? NO.
Can you play Bioshock without GOG Galaxy? YES.

EOT.
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fr33kSh0w2012: I played Bioshock without steam because I bought the disk!
Good for you. I have played B1 and B2 on my PS3.
Post edited February 17, 2019 by Sebatrox
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ChrisGamer300: There is actually quite a few games that require Galaxy for DLC like skins and other small things because devs couldn't be bothered to fix it
Do you happen to know if there's a list or thread of these games anywhere?
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ChrisGamer300: There is actually quite a few games that require Galaxy for DLC like skins and other small things because devs couldn't be bothered to fix it
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HappyPunkPotato: Do you happen to know if there's a list or thread of these games anywhere?
There where GOGmixes in the past which showed the games that needed Galaxy, i haven't actually checked the second citizen thread but maybe that one also count these things now.

Dying Light Enhanced Edition needed but i think that one got fixed, Battletech still need to authenticate skin plus some other games.
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amok: ergo - steam is not drm as many games on steam do not need the launcher. Cheers

/end thread
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Sebatrox: So, can you play Bioshock without Steam? NO.
Can you play Bioshock without GOG Galaxy? YES.

EOT.
Can I play all the games on this list https://steam.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_DRM-free_games without the steam launcher? YES

QED


edit - your argument here can be equal to: there are games on CD and DVD using DRM schemes like Starforce. Therefore CD and DVD = DRM
Post edited February 17, 2019 by amok
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Sebatrox: So, can you play Bioshock without Steam? NO.
Can you play Bioshock without GOG Galaxy? YES.

EOT.
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amok: Can I play all the games on this list https://steam.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_DRM-free_games without the steam launcher? YES

QED
Can you play the rest 97% without Steam? NO.

your argument here can be equal to: there are games on CD and DVD using DRM schemes like Starforce. Therefore CD and DVD = DRM
I agree.
Post edited February 17, 2019 by Sebatrox
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amok: ergo - steam is not drm as many games on steam do not need the launcher. Cheers
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amok: Can I play all the games on this list https://steam.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_DRM-free_games without the steam launcher? YES
The Steam client itself specifically does not automatically require DRM. But the Steam / Valve-run ecosystem as a whole, the fact they created two levels of DRM (the basic Steamworks "is the client running" check plus CEG on top (where the .exe is custom locked to your motherboard) for their own client for which 93.5% of Steam games use (only around 1800 on that DRM-Free list out of about 28,525 games, ie a mere 6.5% of games on Steam are DRM-Free) plus no offline installers for those hardly makes the platform as a whole "Steam is DRM-Free like GOG!" either without an exceptionally dishonest level of False Equivalence logical fallacies, mental acrobatics and silly word games involved. "Does the Steam client FORCE DRM"? No. "If 19/20 games on Steam end up using DRM then does dealing with Steam overall involve DRM?" Of course it does.

Whether you find that DRM personally acceptable is a different argument altogether, but the reality is for +95% of purchases on Steam (figures are actually higher and probably nearer 97-98% since the most popular ones that sell in the millions (eg, Skyrim, etc) nearly all involve DRM) clearly involves dealing with either 1 or 2 layers of Steam's own DRM. The rest is "background noise" compared to what drives the bulk of the platform ecosystem as a whole.
Post edited February 17, 2019 by AB2012
"Quick question: is Steam DRM?" *discussion and argument continues until the end of time*