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moobot83: im starting to think that epic store is gonna be worse t han steam, not that steam is good in anyway
regardless actual number of functions, epic or steam are in principle the same
well yeas they are i agree
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moobot83: im starting to think that epic store is gonna be worse than steam, not that steam is good in anyway
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flanner: regardless actual number of functions, epic or steam are in principle the same
it already is but anyways if you stop supporting a company another will take it's palce

https://www.theverge.com/2019/3/21/18276235/walmart-cloud-gaming-service-google-stadia-competitor

https://www.theverge.com/2019/3/19/18271702/google-stadia-cloud-gaming-service-announcement-gdc-2019

not sure true or not but reports are saying Disney might join in
https://insidethemagic.net/2019/04/disney-reportedly-buying-gaming-company

so ya stop buying games on steam literally only effects just steam it won't effect drm anymore
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Post edited April 26, 2019 by KnightW0lf
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flanner: regardless actual number of functions, epic or steam are in principle the same
Yeah it's funny to me how many people are screaming about Epic forcing them to use their client. I've been forced to use Steam for like 15 years now. Cry me a river.
I said it before if gog negotiated a migration fee for say a couple of bucks per company I would jump ship to gog fully and move as much of my steam content as possible to gog.
I would be over the moon and delighted to wave bye bye to steam given their recent censorship actions breaking their initial core principles.

GOG 2 is a good start to eventually make migration happen, by combining library’s in one spot there’s potential for a system to calculate a migrate fee, it will be in the game companies best interest to play ball as its money they wouldn’t normally get, given the number of gamers out there you can speculate that number will be a sizable chunk of change.

As for these streaming services.

1. google as far as I am concerned, I wouldn’t touch it even if it was the only gaming company on the net, I have had my fill of google hypocrisy.

2. Walmart, does this game come with a tin of beans.

3. Disney, lol yeah right crappier Star Wars.

These streaming services are the game version of the series/movies entertainment model its so big corps can squeez every cent out of the game consumer just to play games they like (see origin access plus)..

But these articles also show that there are less than savoury companies that are now trying to muscle in on the pc market, and that number will grow with only one looser the gamers.

Therefore, now more than ever we should all support a pro gamer company that won’t bend their knee to professional hate mobs, political interference and will never entertain games as a service.

But it takes two to make that happen the gamers and gog, you need to up your game gog and give gamers a reason to come to you more than you are doing now.
Steam Summer Sale is going on and I was tempted to get a few games, but I guess I've actually managed to condition myself to be anti-Steam. Just the thought of picking a game up on Steam that is as low as $5 still irks me just because I won't be able to download the setup file to put on one of my external drives. At this point, I am safe to delete the Steam client. I mean, we talk smack about Epic but I keep that launcher ready to download the free game each week.

Not to mention, GOG looks cleaner. I can't even decide what to buy on Steam because of all the trash that litters every single genre category on there. Here, even the biggest sales revolve around 100 games instead of 30,000 where 25,000 are trash, 3,000 are pixel rogue-likes and 1,000 are cutesy anime-style games that make me feel awkward.
Post edited July 01, 2019 by Karterii1993
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Katanamochi: I said it before if gog negotiated a migration fee for say a couple of bucks per company I would jump ship to gog fully and move as much of my steam content as possible to gog.
I would be over the moon and delighted to wave bye bye to steam given their recent censorship actions breaking their initial core principles.
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But it takes two to make that happen the gamers and gog, you need to up your game gog and give gamers a reason to come to you more than you are doing now.
You're right, it does take two in a transaction, the seller and the buyer. It sounds like the ball is in your court to decide outright if you want to buy here or not. That's ultimately your choice, not GOG's choice to make for you. Incidentally, GOG has been here this whole time as the seller, for a decade. You chose Steam and now effectively want to be rewarded by GOG for your choice? Strikes me as strange.

As for upping their game, the big news at GOG is Galaxy 2.0. Apparently, this new version of GOG's client will interact with your other existing clients (like Steam, uPlay, etc). Your other proprietary clients, like Steam, would still be needed in order to launch the titles, but the "dashboard" as it were that you see would be via Galaxy across all these different clients. Personally, I recommend the offline installers instead.

You may be interested in another topic on this forum about "Steam games that can be played DRM-free/without the client".
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Katanamochi: I said it before if gog negotiated a migration fee for say a couple of bucks per company I would jump ship to gog fully and move as much of my steam content as possible to gog.
I would be over the moon and delighted to wave bye bye to steam given their recent censorship actions breaking their initial core principles.
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But it takes two to make that happen the gamers and gog, you need to up your game gog and give gamers a reason to come to you more than you are doing now.
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rjbuffchix: You're right, it does take two in a transaction, the seller and the buyer. It sounds like the ball is in your court to decide outright if you want to buy here or not. That's ultimately your choice, not GOG's choice to make for you. Incidentally, GOG has been here this whole time as the seller, for a decade. You chose Steam and now effectively want to be rewarded by GOG for your choice? Strikes me as strange.

As for upping their game, the big news at GOG is Galaxy 2.0. Apparently, this new version of GOG's client will interact with your other existing clients (like Steam, uPlay, etc). Your other proprietary clients, like Steam, would still be needed in order to launch the titles, but the "dashboard" as it were that you see would be via Galaxy across all these different clients. Personally, I recommend the offline installers instead.

You may be interested in another topic on this forum about "Steam games that can be played DRM-free/without the client".
i found gog 3 years back but I found steam 2 years prior so had already started to build up a substantial library before I was aware of gog and now I choose gog, but gog don’t have all the titles I am after yet. so when you say I have a choice you will agree it’s not always as easy or clear cut as you say..
thanks for the link but drm is not the real issue for me.

i am retired now and rather set in my ways 40+ years in the software development tends to make you jaded, and I am from the generation when I buy a product its mine to do what I want, but steam these games feel more like rentals where as gog installers feels like I have a solid product in my hands.

finally i dont like the idea of multiple clients on my pc i have zero trust i client based software distribution, i know there is a major push for everythibng to be on the cloud these days.

i do hope gog 2 which i do like the idea of, and i hope it actaully helps get rid of bad pratices in other clients, but i dont hold me breath.
Post edited July 03, 2019 by Katanamochi
I was like you ten years ago, telling people not to support this stuff, explaining to them the risks. No one cared, and that kind of account-based "ownership" took off like a rocket. There's no more battle left, it was over a long time ago, so your personal boycott literally means nothing.

I buy as much as I can here to support the principle of it and to avoid booting clients, but telling people to boycott something the vast, vast majority PREFER, let alone approve of, is like bailing out a sinking ship. Pointless.
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StingingVelvet: I was like you ten years ago, telling people not to support this stuff, explaining to them the risks. No one cared, and that kind of account-based "ownership" took off like a rocket. There's no more battle left, it was over a long time ago, so your personal boycott literally means nothing.

I buy as much as I can here to support the principle of it and to avoid booting clients, but telling people to boycott something the vast, vast majority PREFER, let alone approve of, is like bailing out a sinking ship. Pointless.
your shouting at a brick wall cloud based client distribution gives devs and companies a powerful tool to save money at the detriment of the customer it gives them the illusion of value for money, thats why gog is good they offer both cleint based distribution of a single installer download.

also the issue what exactly are these cleints also doing that i dont know about on my rig, latest example epic game store.
Post edited July 03, 2019 by Katanamochi
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Katanamochi: your shouting at a brick wall cloud based client distribution gives devs and companies a powerful tool to save money at the detriment of the customer it gives them the illusion of value for money, thats why gog is good they offer both cleint based distribution of a single installer download.
Consumers have always cared more about convenience and price than anything else. Also they love social media features. So it's no wonder Steam and the like took off, they hit all three buttons like a monkey in an Apollo rocket.
I have managed to buy exactly nothing in the Steam Summer sale. YAY
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Katanamochi: your shouting at a brick wall cloud based client distribution gives devs and companies a powerful tool to save money at the detriment of the customer it gives them the illusion of value for money, thats why gog is good they offer both cleint based distribution of a single installer download.
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StingingVelvet: Consumers have always cared more about convenience and price than anything else. Also they love social media features. So it's no wonder Steam and the like took off, they hit all three buttons like a monkey in an Apollo rocket.
good analogy, but in a way it was a good model that came at the right time, pc gaming was dying the consoles seemed to have won, then that fateful bunch of old pc school gamers stayed around as steam come in gathered up a host of titles put them out for cheap unlike gog they added social media capabilities, then one person looked and told his friends’ and soon the gaming pc rose like a phoenix on steroids despite gog being the one company that tried to keep the pc market alive originally, now we are at a cross roads again.

sjw attacks/sjw influence on games, censorship, attacks on free speech, saturation with low tire games, triple A insult//milking their gamers, untrustworthy bad players like google trying to muscle its way into this market.

then epic doing very shady things such as scooping up games and crowd funded games that rode on steams backbone, and then throwing money at crowd funded titles and then telling the very ppl that backed them to f off, the game wouldn’t exist without them. I am a crowd funder and i backed a couple games, due to this i will never back another.

Depending what happens next year pc and now Nintendo could bury the console market with Sony soy station going full woke and full censorship, now the x box doing the exact same thing it could finally end Xbox and Sony’s grip.

I think cyberpunk will bring a whole lot more interest towards Gog, if it turns out as expected (pre ordered i cannot wait), gog could get a lot bigger as ppl find out more about cyberpunk and pay gog more attention especially if gog 2 works as expected, that means it could become a default hub linking library’s and as such the more ppl may use it (i am) that way they are more likely to look at the gog store first. this could be good especially now cd project red told fem freq where to go, and said they back the gamers and won’t allow epic to steal their games gog is still saying the things many want to hear unlike steam and epic.
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StingingVelvet: I was like you ten years ago, telling people not to support this stuff, explaining to them the risks. No one cared, and that kind of account-based "ownership" took off like a rocket. There's no more battle left, it was over a long time ago, so your personal boycott literally means nothing.

I buy as much as I can here to support the principle of it and to avoid booting clients, but telling people to boycott something the vast, vast majority PREFER, let alone approve of, is like bailing out a sinking ship. Pointless.
its not pointless at all, we can stil lconvince devs to make drm free versions of there games, hell devs can make money fro mthere older games such as dynasty warriors 1 - 4 by koei gog is needed,DRM is not needed and never has been,
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Katanamochi: I think cyberpunk will bring a whole lot more interest towards Gog, if it turns out as expected (pre ordered i cannot wait), gog could get a lot bigger as ppl find out more about cyberpunk and pay gog more attention especially if gog 2 works as expected, that means it could become a default hub linking library’s and as such the more ppl may use it (i am) that way they are more likely to look at the gog store first. this could be good especially now cd project red told fem freq where to go, and said they back the gamers and won’t allow epic to steal their games gog is still saying the things many want to hear unlike steam and epic.
Witcher brought exponential growth to GOG. Cyberpunk likely will too. But GOG will not be ready again and will push a good 30% back out the door with half-assed website and such, much like last time.