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amok: steam in itself is not DRM, so no
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Sebatrox: Yes, Steam is DRM.
https://crackwatch.com/drm/steam
I can buy certain games on Steam and play them without Steam, therefore Steam is not DRM.
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PookaMustard: Back to OP, I disagree with their view on Battle.net. It is DRM, not convenience. Good luck playing Blizzard games without it.
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DadJoke007: Joke's on you, I still have Warcraft 2, Starcraft and Warcraft 3 + expansions DRM-free working like a charm. But then again, I guess cd-keys 'could' count as some form of DRM.

But I get your point, modern games from Blizzard are a pain in the ass with the battle.net client.
CD keys are one form of DRM I'm fine with, long as it isn't online. I'm talking about the modern games yes, like Overwatch.
I think i gave steam $100 when i got started on it... then switched to GoG and haven't given them anything since.

Not to say i don't get free game keys via HB or the like, but i haven't supported Valve/Steam for a long time. I think Portal 2 was the last time i gave them anything.
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Sebatrox: Yes, Steam is DRM.
https://crackwatch.com/drm/steam
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amok: No, it is not. The DRM in Steamworks is called CEG, and it is up to the publisher whether they want to use it or not. If they don;t, you can publish games DRM free on Steam, there are many DRM free games there.
Check this:
[i]Definition of "DRM-free on Steam"
DRM-free on Steam does not refer to games which don't use third-party DRM; the Steam client is DRM if it is required to run the game.[/i]
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amok: No, it is not. The DRM in Steamworks is called CEG, and it is up to the publisher whether they want to use it or not. If they don;t, you can publish games DRM free on Steam, there are many DRM free games there.
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Sebatrox: Check this:
[i]Definition of "DRM-free on Steam"
DRM-free on Steam does not refer to games which don't use third-party DRM; the Steam client is DRM if it is required to run the game.[/i]
check this, then come back to me

https://steam.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_DRM-free_games

All games here DO NOT NEED the client, and do not use 3'd party DRM.
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Fully agrees. But lately, though, GOG curation gives me second thoughts. 5 games only in my "to buy" list, "are apparently too niche" for Canc... I mean, Curators. And we are talking about games with 500-600 + votes each (with more than one entries in wishlist, even), or 4000 + in some cases... Said games are on Steam, though.

Only GOG can make me jump off GOG's boat, exactly as it once made me abandon piracy and start buying. And hits keep coming. First, it was the principles and policies of old, given up! Then, the moderation came. Before we knew it, even the name/functionality behind it, was cast aside (Good Old Games)... Then client, achievements, profiles, tracking and all those things happened, so as to lure "modern" gamers, millenials and other "charismatic" individuals, inside. And the last nail in the coffin, "Curation". More modern games of questionable allure, instead of Good Oldies... More indies, less classics... New and shiny, instead of old and trusted.

GOG is slowly becoming Steam, or more precisely, Steam-Wannabe. And with a much smaller inventory, at that. Thinning it further, even against people's wishes and votes, at that! And with that Niche and Niche effword thrown around constantly!
Post edited February 16, 2019 by KiNgBrAdLeY7
I'm always surprised at how vehemently angry people get about other people buying games with DRM. Just as if DRM is the biggest evil in the world. I don't like DRM either, but there's far worse things in the world people buy anyway: products from the cattle industry, cows, pigs, chickens held in far too little cages with no chance to go outside, vehicles consuming gasoline, like cars, motorcycles, airplanes while the climate is going haywire, crops tilted with use of chemicals that kill all fertility of the soil, creating the need for chemically made nutrients to be put into the soil which is otherwise dead, clothes made with use of child labour, in far too crowded factories with too little wages and too much hours forced out of the labour force. All those things happen and most people buy their consumer products anyway. And what do people do on GOG? Ostracize people for buying games with copyright protection like it's the biggest evil in the world. Maybe it's time to put your anger into fighting real issues, like all the carbon dioxide emitting vehicles on the road, the food you buy that's killing the environment and the clothes you wear that's made with something close to slave labour. And stop ostracizing people about tiny issues like DRM.
Post edited February 16, 2019 by DubConqueror
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andreasaspenberg2: considering how steam`s staff is treating me, i try to stay away from steam. they threatened with giving me a permanent ban if i post anything more on their forums(ban=loss of access to game library). there is however some games that is available only on steam. if a game is available on gog however i will get it here and not on steam.
Same experience here with steam, they've lost me as a customer.. and I was a very good (very stupid!) customer with 900+ games and collecting all those crap useless trading cards..

But hey, in some way I'm very grateful for their behavior and actions against me, all they did was waking me up and made me realise how stupid I was all that time, so anyway I'm glad I'm now here on GOG and I've to say I really love it here, there are already many great games here and I'm sure there are many more to come, and there isn't a single game (no atter how good!) that can make me go back to Steam, GOG is the only place I'm getting my games unless it's a mmorpg =)
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Sebatrox: Check this:
[i]Definition of "DRM-free on Steam"
DRM-free on Steam does not refer to games which don't use third-party DRM; the Steam client is DRM if it is required to run the game.[/i]
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amok: check this, then come back to me

https://steam.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_DRM-free_games

All games here DO NOT NEED the client, and do not use 3'd party DRM.
ofc not all games need Steam. only 97%.
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DubConqueror: I'm always surprised at how vehemently angry people get about other people buying games with DRM. Just as if DRM is the biggest evil in the world. I don't like DRM either, but there's far worse things in the world people buy anyway: products from the cattle industry, cows, pigs, chickens held in far too little cages with no chance to go outside, vehicles consuming gasoline, like cars, motorcycles, airplanes while the climate is going haywire, crops tilted with use of chemicals that kill all fertility of the soil, creating the need for chemically made nutrients to be put into the soil which is otherwise dead, clothes made with use of child labour, in far too crowded factories with too little wages and too much hours forced out of the labour force. All those things happen and most people buy their consumer products anyway. And what do people do on GOG? Ostracize people for buying games with copyright protection like it's the biggest evil in the world. Maybe it's time to put your anger into fighting real issues, like all the carbon dioxide emitting vehicles on the road, the food you buy that's killing the environment and the clothes you wear that's made with something close to slave labour. And stop ostracizing people about tiny issues like DRM.
Is this the ecology / social issues / climate change / other world problem forum? I thought it was about games. My mistake!
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kusumahendra: If you use Linux, you will support steam.
I use Linux but don't support Steam.

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Bobo_Sims: But NOW I'm going to down-rate you. And not only once, but EVERY post from you that I find.
Surely that would be against the forum rules?

As for on topic, I've never bought anything from Steam and likely never will.
Oh no, moobot83 is disappointed with my decisison to buy games on Steam ('and all these other DRM clients'). :`(
...what am I supposed to do now?
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moobot83: the more of you who buy games on steam, the longer DRM will continue, you DO NOT buy your games on steam you pay triple A prices (unless sale) to rent your games, thats right you dnt own your games cos steam games are not DRM free like GOG is, yes GOG has a client but you dnt need it to play games, where as with steam you have to have the client installed to play 98% of games ofc there are a few wehre u dnt need the steam client but you have to modify the install files.

its time to stop supporting steam,orgin etc and all these other DRM clients, i do not count battle net in this cos they only host there own games unlike steam or origin so its more of a convieniance than actual DRM
I'll get my games wherever I please. Now would you kindly leave.

*Modded. Please refrain from using offensive language.
Post edited February 21, 2019 by Ashleee
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darthspudius: I'll get my games wherever I please. Now would you kindly fuck off.
Oh no you don't, you have to participate in this anti-DRM circle jerk and prove that you are purer than anyone else!
I consider Steam DRM, but that's just my opinion, however the main reason I gave up on Steam is that I don't really read a lot of video game news, so one of my methods of finding out about new games was to browse the new releases on Steam, and now it's just flooded with the most awful low effort garbage software, it's kind of embarrassing by association