Swearing? XD

And Trump. XD

So, instead, you want me to do it? XD

Very high level of discussion. XD So, you have nothing to answer about low ratings of first two seasons of TOS? Or that in DS9 there is too morally grey characters? XD

They busy making TV series which I like. XD

Yes. It's not my job. You want to discuss something with us, have the basic decency to read what we said. If you're going to pretend we're only making vague, blanket statements and then you refuse to actually read our posts, then you are just a troll.

I already answered that. I guess even reading this very page is too much for you.

You're a troll, and I'm done with you.
There's actually a theory going around that Lorca is from the Mirror Universe. That after the MIrror Lorca escaped and disappeared he somehow ended up in our universe, replaced our Lorca and everything he did from that point on was to get our Discovery and our Burnham to the mirror universe to use them for revenge. Somehow. It would explain why he seemed so obsessed and protective of Burnham all this time, why he insisted on pushing Stammets to the brink, and how despite being no scientist he's the first one to bring up parallel universes to Stammets earlier in the show, and how he was the first to realise they are in a parallel universe in the last episode.

I'm not saying I belive it's true, and having another character with a"scret identity" seems like overkill, but it says a lot about Lorca that this sounds plausible at all.

I actually wonder if while Discovery is in mirror universe trying to look warlike, Discovery is "normal" universe is trying to disguise themselves as pacifists or just gone killing all Klingons they could find?

I believe, that at some point there will be struggle between L'Rell and Burnam for Voq/Tyler. This vould bring very interesting love triangle if played right.

I think that at some point they might kill Lorca and replace him with his "mirror' counterpart. Or they might discover that emperor of terran empire is, actually, "mirror" Lorca which coup is succeeded and "mirror' Burnam is at his side.

Also, when Lorca was presenting himself as engineer was talking with accent. Which was very like Scotty's accent from TOS. :)

Not mine ether. :)


Actually, I was writing each time a new post even if I was needed to repeat something I already posted. This is just simple respect of opponent: to write your statement that your opponent didn't need to read pages of unrelated info. Simple, good discussion rules. And if you thinking this as trolling... Well... This is sad.

Yes, you wrote:

"Poor writing" and "well developed characters"? How is this objective measurement? This is completely subjective!

Also, you say that "DS9 took time and great care". How many seasons DS9 developed their characters before they started to look for at least on average level? And how many episodes had Discovery? You comparing 7 (SEVEN!!!) SEASONS TV series character development with 10 EPISODES TV series which first season isn't even ended! Seriously? You demand same character development that had DS9 after much more episodes than Discovery hasn't even aired at this time???

if you don't have any arguments except for "I feel that way" then just say that your opponent is a troll. XD

At first this blew my mind. Then I didn't like it because I thought that Lorca (with a c?) could be a better villain if he were not from the mirror universe because people from the mirror universe are more caricatures than anything else. They aren't subtle, they're often headstrong to the point of stupid and their desire to wreck stuff skews toward satire. I felt he would be a better villain if he is a monster among mirrors so to speak.

But after thinking about all that happened in the episodes up to now, and looking at it through the lens of this theory, I gotta say it's really compelling. I'd say it goes farther than just plausible; it fits with everything. I also thought it was weird that he was the first to suggest an alternate universe but I figured it was just a "hero" moment for the Captain, and they are after all all hyper-educated future-people. You add in the fact that the mirror burnham and lorca conveniently disappeared and it just starts to fit too well to ignore. As of now, I'm definitely on the "he's from the mirror universe" train.

That would be cheeky. It's a good point though. How did Mirror-Lorca get to the "prime" (what do they call it?) universe? Maybe there is a mirror universe discovery floating around somewhere in the regular universe. If it is there, I'd imagine it's heavily damaged. It may be mostly inoperable, save for the spore drive, which may not function properly.

Seems that way.

Mm not sure about that one. If I were guessing I'd say that mirror emperor is either Georgiou or Cornwell.

I expect Georgiou, but my first thought was Harry Mudd.

And every first season was the weakest one in it's line. Even TNG started out weak, but improved quickly. Voyager started out with a very annoying Mary-Sue captain who could do everything on her own, but later she was couterbalanced. DS9 started out bad ... well, OK. It didn't get any better and still is mostly bad throughout all seasons. Enterprise started out OK, IMO, but still improved over it's first episode.

Discovery started out very, very bad. Let's see whether it improves and explains at some point, why they mistook some refugees from the planet of the apes for Klingons.

Ha, the backlash against The Last Jedi did remind me a lot of the one Discovery got.

A lot of fanboys who want their past enshrined in amber...

I unfortunately expect one of them to be it (Georgiou more to make it bigger contrast) and I will be disappointed because not every yet-to-be-unveiled person has to be from the past of the show. In any show, not only this.

I would be actually disapointed if they show the Emperor (but not surprised) because I took it that it's running thing that current ruler of Terran Empire never appeared in the show as none of the stories were about emperors.

I'd like to say that first time I saw later series of DS9, Animated series, about 1/3rd episodes of TOS, Insurrection or the Undiscovered Country was in distant past of 2017. So it was first time I saw like 1/3rd or 1/4th of previous Star Treks. And I don't even like TAS, abouth half of DS9, most of Voyager and Enterprise and half of the movies. So it's not like I am the hardest of fanboys and I still don't like Discovery at all.
Sidenote; I thought I have seen all of DS9 in the past but I discovered I didn't know the later series (5-7) at all. Peculiar.

Thing is, I certainly don't like it as Star Trek but I am not too keen about it on its own as well. I don't think it is well done story, it tries too hard to push in many directions, it doesn't have likeable characters who act in dumb way only to create artificial drama and neither I enjoy the way it is shot much.


Btw. I have seen 2 episodes of The Expanse today and it looks promising so far.
Anyone seen it?

Yeah, I don't like this idea that everything has to be written with a big reveal or a twist in mind, but that's the kind of show this is. And I'm pretty sure this is going to be something like this, or otherwise they wouldn't put so much emphasis on the Emperor's identity being unknown.

Well, the Enterprise Mirror Universe double episode was, in the end, about Hoshi becoming empress.

I'm on episode 10 of season 2. I think it's fantastic. The first season was ok, good but not great. The second season improved greatly pretty much from the get go and so far is truly great. Great writing, characters, tight plot, good execution and mostly really good actors. Best show of last year by far. Probably best in a long time.

That's wahy I said current emperor. The ruling one was never mentioned by anything else but title and it ended with Hoshi on her way to take over the throne so you could say she was never actual ruler during the series.
And in MIrror, Mirror there was never mention of Emperor too and Spock only became ruler later outside the series.

Awesome.

I am going to power through it soon. Even though it is continous story so I should apparently hate it, I certainly see potential there, am interested if it turns out good and am glad to hear it will.

Episode 3, here I come.

I'm pretty happy to read this. We have Season 1 and watched the first 3 or 4 episodes, but got sidetracked as it was good, but not compelling. But I like the series and love the overall concept. Will have to delve into it again and get into season 2.

Discovery is back!

I enjoyed this portrayal of the Mirror Universe. It was exuberant enought without the extreme cheesiness (I'm looking at you, female uniforms). Lorca was great with the responsibility to send all their crew back home. And I need more Captain Killy. :D

However, there is something I really don't like: the super-advance plastic surgery to change species. I find it extremely stupid and I was hoping I'd never have to see it again. Oh well, at least it was not a holodeck malfunction. But if they are going that route, at least the story is interesting enough. It reminded me of the sleeper Cylons in Battlestar Galactica. And of course, the idea is very similar to one DS9 episode (with a totally different resolution).

The death of the doctor was shocking (maybe this was what they were refering to about main characters dying?). Another sci-fi doctor bites the dust. :(


I think it's the other way around. Some Shenzhou survivors were assigned to the Discovery. In the Mirror Universe the Shenzhou was not destroyed, so the crew is still there.

I need Tilly to die in a transporter mulfunction off screen and never be mentioned again.