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You do realize that it isn't about "backbone" it's an either or. If you want to do business in China you need to follow China's laws which require the government to have access to your systems, for the government to be able to takedown anything they find objectionable... for the government to be in complete control.

After all, Google's Dragonfly project was created because Google would rather have the €$'s with having a major market than not having that market.
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If it requires accepting Chinese censorship or control then no, no-one based in a country that values freedom of speech or human rights should do business with China.
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IAmBored2: You do realize that it isn't about "backbone" it's an either or. If you want to do business in China you need to follow China's laws which require the government to have access to your systems, for the government to be able to takedown anything they find objectionable... for the government to be in complete control.
CD Project wants to do business with China so they stick to the local laws when it comes to Chinese users. It sucks but fine, whatever. Most Chinese users already use vpn to bypass the great wall anyways.

Now, explain to me why the rest of the world have to follow those same bullshit laws as well?

Like, even in the example you brought up - Google's Dragonfly, they developed that specifically for Chinese users. If google suddenly replaced their current world wide engine with the heavily censored Dragonfly do you think there won't be an uproar if people find out?
Post edited December 17, 2020 by Usagi1030
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I think most people don't want their territory to bow to the whims of China. The problem isn't what happens within China's borders... well, with media anyway, obviously concentration camps are bad. The problem is China uses their financial influence to bend other countries to their will. Movies and games censoring themselves to "fit in" in China is only one small example of a larger problem.

GOG could have easily geo-restricted the game in China I believe. They have done that with certain games in Germany if I am not mistaken. The fact that wasn't the obvious solution tells me it's more about China's grander influence on general commerce.
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IAmBored2: You do realize that it isn't about "backbone" it's an either or. If you want to do business in China you need to follow China's laws which require the government to have access to your systems, for the government to be able to takedown anything they find objectionable... for the government to be in complete control.
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Usagi1030: CD Project wants to do business with China so they stick to the local laws when it comes to Chinese users. It sucks but fine, whatever. Most Chinese users already use vpn to bypass the great wall anyways.

Now, explain to me why the rest of the world have to follow those same bullshit laws as well?
Because if you want to do business in china, you need to be on friendly terms with the Chinese government. You cannot just sell to Chinese citizens WITHOUT involving the Chinese government you know.
Things are getting even meta and meta as year dies by...
The Chinese pimping is real.

Tencent/Epic Games (and that despicable Tim Sweeney), proof of that.

And all of this 2077 controversy that almost borders on an ARG,
all things considered (corporatocracy, "the great reset", "high tech, low life", the growing grip of China on Western economies, and what matters the most on this forum, the unbelievable initial contempt CDPR has shown for all this release that COULD have been such a wonderful ironic celebration of life after the hardest year on 21st century so far).

I'm eager to know what was CDPR doing during 8 years; I'm really curious.
Plot twist: I'm enjoying the game and the organic levelling up system so many bots criticized, though I'm questioning the lack of humanity which is almost perfect from an artistic standpoint, yet terribly depressing from a reality standpoint.

I just don't understand.
But I hope for the best.
Even though everything looks fucked like my screenshots.
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Time4Tea: If it requires accepting Chinese censorship or control then no, no-one based in a country that values freedom of speech or human rights should do business with China.
In all honesty, I agree... but I hate how people don't grasp how big the problem really is. China's government has a choke hold on anyone who wants to do business there and how they expect everyone else to control their citizens exactly the same way.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/07/the-nbas-china-crisis-is-another-reminder-of-the-dangers-of-twitter.html

Remember, to China the citizens serve the government and corporations exist only to serve China.

The ONLY way to be free of this situation is to have the governments of our world make it illegal to trade with non-democratic nations because no corporation is going to give up the chinese market... but WE will lose freedom because the Chinese market demands it.
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Usagi1030: CD Project wants to do business with China so they stick to the local laws when it comes to Chinese users. It sucks but fine, whatever. Most Chinese users already use vpn to bypass the great wall anyways.

Now, explain to me why the rest of the world have to follow those same bullshit laws as well?
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IAmBored2: Because if you want to do business in china, you need to be on friendly terms with the Chinese government. You cannot just sell to Chinese citizens WITHOUT involving the Chinese government you know.
I think you misunderstood me so I'll say this again:

We don't live in China. Why are we also being treated like Chinese citizens when GoG could've just restricted the game in China ONLY?
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IAmBored2: You do realize that it isn't about "backbone" it's an either or. If you want to do business in China you need to follow China's laws which require the government to have access to your systems, for the government to be able to takedown anything they find objectionable... for the government to be in complete control.
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Usagi1030: CD Project wants to do business with China so they stick to the local laws when it comes to Chinese users. It sucks but fine, whatever. Most Chinese users already use vpn to bypass the great wall anyways.

Now, explain to me why the rest of the world have to follow those same bullshit laws as well?
I really don't care if Chinese gamers can play the game. Like, I just don't give a shit about them. They can have their cute little authoritarian government, more (less) power to them. But I'm paying US dollars to a Polish company to buy a Taiwanese game, somehow it gets taken down by the Chinese government? Whichever of us is Chinese here, you can leave now with your bullshit censorship.
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Usagi1030: Now, explain to me why the rest of the world have to follow those same bullshit laws as well?
+1. China can do business but they have no right to demand that the rest of the world bends to their will.
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IAmBored2: Because if you want to do business in china, you need to be on friendly terms with the Chinese government. You cannot just sell to Chinese citizens WITHOUT involving the Chinese government you know.
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Usagi1030: I think you misunderstood me so I'll say this again:

We don't live in China. Why are we also being treated like Chinese citizens when GoG could've just restricted the game in China ONLY?
I think you didn't read what I said. If you WANT TO DO BUSINESS IN CHINA then if China says to fire that China-phobic person on twitter you NEED TO DO IT. China is not a democracy, get that through your head. China expects people who do business in china to censor their own employees, and if you don't then you aren't allowed to do business there.
Post edited December 17, 2020 by IAmBored2
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Usagi1030: I think you misunderstood me so I'll say this again:

We don't live in China. Why are we also being treated like Chinese citizens when GoG could've just restricted the game in China ONLY?
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IAmBored2: I think you didn't read what I said. If you WANT TO DO BUSINESS IN CHINA then if China says to fire that China-phobic person on twitter you NEED TO DO IT. China is not a democracy, get that through your head. China expects people who do business in china to censor their own employees, and if you don't then you aren't allowed to do business there.
But WE are a democracy
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Time4Tea: If it requires accepting Chinese censorship or control then no, no-one based in a country that values freedom of speech or human rights should do business with China.
I agree with you, but a lot of games have been censorship in the west.
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IAmBored2: I think you didn't read what I said. If you WANT TO DO BUSINESS IN CHINA then if China says to fire that China-phobic person on twitter you NEED TO DO IT. China is not a democracy, get that through your head. China expects people who do business in china to censor their own employees, and if you don't then you aren't allowed to do business there.
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Mikesemb: But WE are a democracy
Yes, but CHINA isn't... You keep thinking that you can do business with China in a democratic way but ignore that they're not a democracy. China's authoritarianism has been slipping into the world because our governments are too weak to pass a simple law making it illegal to trade with a country that is not a democracy.

No corporation is going to give up the Chinese market, it's a super power of its own. And thus, they will censor their employees, they will lie to the press, they will do whatever China tells them to because if they don't then they cannot do business in china. No negations, no democracy, either you submit to China's will or you cannot do business there.

What this means is that GoG has already conceded to let the CPP have access to its systems (part of chinese law) and has already taken freedom away. Devotion is a raindrop.
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Yes, Absolutely.

Embargo China. Break China and free the people the way the Soviet Union was broken. CDP, CDPR and GOG only exist because the Soviet Union was defeated and the people of Poland, Hungary, Estonia, Czech Republic, Slovakia, etc. gained back their country, freedom and independence.

We must stop subsidizing Communist China, destroying manufacturing in other nations, stopping the slave labor in China and other nations, too. To Hell with globalism and communism.
Post edited December 17, 2020 by MajicMan