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I am very careful with what I word for the only reason -> I actually think about the topic.
(while trying to follow through it)
Post edited January 17, 2022 by Ramor_
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pooman69: I don't see what y'all are up in arms about lmao.

If its a quality thing, lemme assure you, each of these VN are of much higher quality than cyberpunk2077.

Just some puritans with a bee in yer bonnets, whole bunch
:D yeah sure
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LootHunter: Animals exist. And if you use them as an analogy to fictional characters, you mean that you opposing anime porn for fictional characters' sake. Otherwise, your analogy doesn't make sense.
Oh, you read the post wrong. JuWalk said something along the lines of vegans demanding people keep meat in a different fridge to the vegetables being similar to people not wanting porn on here, I was just pointing out where he was wrong about what the vegan wants. Those two things you quoted from me were totally unconnected. The funny thing is, I haven't even said that I'm opposing porn, anime or otherwise.
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HappyPunkPotato: I haven't even said that I'm opposing porn, anime or otherwise.
Yeah. You just said that you oppose porn and anima being sold in the same store as other games. Sort of like vegans can oppose meat served in the restaurant they eat. And when you was pointed that, you replied that vegans do that for animals' sake. You are the one who tied vegan motivation to yours.
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HappyPunkPotato: I haven't even said that I'm opposing porn, anime or otherwise.
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LootHunter: Yeah. You just said that you oppose porn and anima being sold in the same store as other games. Sort of like vegans can oppose meat served in the restaurant they eat. And when you was pointed that, you replied that vegans do that for animals' sake. You are the one who tied vegan motivation to yours.
No I didn't.

bombardier: I am saying that they should be on GoG for normal games and on dedicated porn sites for their porn games. We all eat and we all take shit. Just like my toilet is not next to my dining table, my porn stuff is not next to my non porn stuff.
JuWalk: GoG and some users believe that meat and vegetables can be in the same refrigerator. You say "I'm a vegan so everyone should keep meat away from vegetables".
Me: No, the vegan says "You shouldn't be having meat at all."
JuWalk: Ok, I'll rephrase. A vegan demands that the supermarket stop selling meat, eggs, milk and honey for his sake.
Me: Wrong again, the vegan asks the supermarket to stop selling animal products for the sake of the animals, that's kind of the whole point of veganism.

I wasn't being metaphorical, I was literally only commenting on veganism. I can see why you got mixed up though.
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Krogan32: Don't view HappyPunkPotato too harshly. He's triggered today because I keep pointing out that he's a fake boycotter as he's stated that he is still buying games from GoG despite claiming that he's boycotted GoG.
Following me round to harass me on other threads? You must really like me, want to meet up sometime? I applaud you on *almost* managing to not use your usual catchphrases. Changing "faux" to "fake" doesn't really cut it though.

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JuWalk: Wow, the greatest "no, you" argument of all time is being used! I'm convinced! Oh, or no, because that statement is a lie. If I were a fanatic like you guys, I would say "sell any porn games, and send those who are unhappy with it to hell". But instead I say "Sell porn (and any other) games to those who want to buy them, and give those who don't want ability to hide them". Tell me, do you really not see the difference between "GoG, do as I want and forget about others" and "GoG, do not limit yourself and customers in the assortment without a good reason, but let everyone customize the store for themselves"?
I was just hoping you might develope some self-awareness but it seems that's beyond you. You have been mocking and condescending towards the people who don't agree with you.
But you're right, I'm the definition of a fanatic. I've said all along all porn should be banned. Oh no wait, I ve actually been saying people should be compassionate to each other, compromise and understanding should be sought and some games probably should be banned. Did you actually read any of my replies?

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HappyPunkPotato: Wrong again, the vegan asks the supermarket to stop selling animal products for the sake of the animals, that's kind of the whole point of veganism.
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JuWalk: I have to disappoint you - fictional characters do not need your care and concern. Well, except for the Tamagotchi. And there are no real people in these games. And it can't be. So for whose sake you all are trying to cancel the sale of these games?
You failed to disappoint me. In what way does that completelly irrelevant quote show me thinking fictional characters require my care? As I said, quote the post where I did. And while you're at it, quote the one where I said I'm trying to cancel there games. (Just to help you understand - saying some probably should be is not the same as actively trying to make it happen.)

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JuWalk: Maybe because it's not me who, page after page, is pretending to be a knight in a white cloak who can't live in peace because of someone's suffering, including far-fetched ones?)
So you complain when people only think of themselves and you comlain when people think of others. As for the "far-fetched ones", see above.

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JuWalk: Even in the very post you quoted part of, I said:
And what is "boring and lame" for you is quite interesting for another. How many times do I need to repeat the same thing so that people like you finally realize that all people are different and their tastes are also different? Someone plays hundreds of hours in a Farming Simulator, someone considers Dwarf Fortress a masterpiece, someone sticks out for half a day in "hidden objects" or "three-in-a-row". All these games are not suitable for everyone, but this does not make them bad
I don't think you've got any idea who people like me are. At what point did I dispute what you said in the quote above? You need to drop all of the stupid assumptions and actually pay attention to the other person occasionally.

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JuWalk: As mentioned above, there are no real people in these games and can't be. Fictional people don't need help, and, as you said, you understand that. So why, then, are you poking into this topic over and over again instead of either simply ignoring the games that you personally don't like, or joining the demand for more filtering options?
As I've said over and over again, I don't think the people in the games need help, I've never said they did in any way, shape or form. I poked into this thread originally to talk to someone else but you keep talking to me over and over again.

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JuWalk: But seriously, you're trying in vain. Rather, the heavens will fall to the ground than these people will hear arguments that do not fit into their "I see it this way and I want it that way"
Sorry to use the lame "no, you" argument again but you continue to see me the way you want despite no evidence to support any of it.
1. Fictional characters need help.
2. These games should be banned.
3. People and their tastes aren't different.
You've said all of these things about me and none of them are true.
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LootHunter: Yeah. You just said that you oppose porn and anima being sold in the same store as other games. Sort of like vegans can oppose meat served in the restaurant they eat. And when you was pointed that, you replied that vegans do that for animals' sake. You are the one who tied vegan motivation to yours.
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HappyPunkPotato: No I didn't.

bombardier: I am saying that they should be on GoG for normal games and on dedicated porn sites for their porn games. We all eat and we all take shit. Just like my toilet is not next to my dining table, my porn stuff is not next to my non porn stuff.
JuWalk: GoG and some users believe that meat and vegetables can be in the same refrigerator. You say "I'm a vegan so everyone should keep meat away from vegetables".
Me: No, the vegan says "You shouldn't be having meat at all."
JuWalk: Ok, I'll rephrase. A vegan demands that the supermarket stop selling meat, eggs, milk and honey for his sake.
Me: Wrong again, the vegan asks the supermarket to stop selling animal products for the sake of the animals, that's kind of the whole point of veganism.

I wasn't being metaphorical, I was literally only commenting on veganism. I can see why you got mixed up though.
In this case, your commenting was just plain untrue. Vegans (most vegans anyway) don't object to other people eating meat, but they do object to waving meat in front of them.

Anyways, you still haven't presented any rational reason why GOG shouldn't sell porn games you don't like.

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HappyPunkPotato: I'm the definition of a fanatic. I've said all along all porn should be banned. Oh no wait, I ve actually been saying people should be compassionate to each other, compromise and understanding should be sought and some games probably should be banned.
Yes, that's exactly what you said. And never explained why "compromise" is for you getting your way on GOG and others having to go somewhere else for porn games you don't like.
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bombardier: Being a Dik, that is prominently using a lot of space on GoG store page, is being uploaded on pornhub. So I don't think that any extra test is necessary here
There are even math lessons on pornhub, without a single nude scene) Of course, math can sometimes be a real hardcore porn, but still...


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Karterii1: I don't see why this is even being discussed.
It's not that I don't get your frustration since I share it, I don't even like sexy times in games when they are done tastefully, to be completely honest, so porn games are a complete no-go for me.

Like you said though, the games sell, so why wouldn't GOG - a store for games that makes money off of game sales - sell them? GOG never advertised itself as 100% nudity-free or anything like that. I'd throw a fit if they sell DRM content since that'd mean they blatantly lied to me, but porn games? I don't like them but I wasn't promised NOT to see porn games, you know?

The only thing we COULD discuss here that I can think of is to add some sort of maturity filter in case children visit the site. If I had a kid I'd love for them to be interested in games and I'd definitely go to GOG to buy them games, so I could totally get behind that argument.

But yeah... Respect your opinion, just don't see why you're mad, you haven't been lied to or anything.
Wow. Adequate person who knows how to separate "I don't like it" and "it shouldn't exist". An endangered species of man in our time, by the way! Karterii1, tons of respect for you, seriously.

The only thing, I still think that it would be better to have not an "adult filter", but a more flexible ability to block any type of games at all


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Ramor_: the fact that quality of anime is just tearing down quality of GOG and of gaming overall
Fact? Can I see scientific studies on this issue? Do not confuse "my subjective opinion" and "fact", these are very different concepts. In my subjective opinion, sports games reduce the overall quality of GoG much more. But this is still just an opinion, not a fact.


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JuWalk: Maybe because it's not me who, page after page, is pretending to be a knight in a white cloak who can't live in peace because of someone's suffering, including far-fetched ones?)
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HappyPunkPotato: So you complain when people only think of themselves and you comlain when people think of others.
I'm not complaining. I say: If you say you care about others, help those who really need help. And if you don't want to help those in need, but just want to fight on the Internet, don't lie that you're worried about others. That's all. If anything, this is not addressed to you personally, but to everyone in general.
In my opinion, it is better to be an honest bastard than a deceitful and hypocritical pseudo-good guy


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JuWalk: Wow, the greatest "no, you" argument of all time is being used! I'm convinced! Oh, or no, because that statement is a lie. If I were a fanatic like you guys, I would say "sell any porn games, and send those who are unhappy with it to hell". But instead I say "Sell porn (and any other) games to those who want to buy them, and give those who don't want ability to hide them". Tell me, do you really not see the difference between "GoG, do as I want and forget about others" and "GoG, do not limit yourself and customers in the assortment without a good reason, but let everyone customize the store for themselves"?
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HappyPunkPotato: But you're right, I'm the definition of a fanatic. I've said all along all porn should be banned. Oh no wait, I ve actually been saying people should be compassionate to each other, compromise and understanding should be sought and some games probably should be banned. Did you actually read any of my replies?
To give people the opportunity to hide what they don't like is a compromise, to remove, conditionally, 2 games instead of 5 is not a compromise. Because if today you delete at least one game for no good reason, tomorrow those who are dissatisfied with such games will say "since one has already been deleted, there should be no problem in deleting a few more." Russians have a very correct saying about this - "appetite comes with eating"
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My opinion is that on this forum are often some people that are for some reason not able to register the moment when they lost an argument (a very specific one - meaning a specific argument in a specific reply) and the whole issue just snowballs on that. I, for example, see others arguing and I recognize the moment they explained something, yet "the opposite" side just totally doesn't know that at all, because is probably focused on something else. Maybe on purpose, I don't know. I learned at least that...
And I think it's happening to me as well.

But since that could be a completely subjective issue (of course), I will just have to not care about what you have to say on that at this point, because I can understand the fact that there are existing different points of view, no matter the logic behind it. I am just not able to follow - at all - anymore.

It's just sad that the side (that misses the mark) keeps on pushing because they didn't get the memo. Meanwhile, the side that is more understanding actually avoids to pointing out 90 percent of another stuff that didn't make a sense for a sake of making that all explaining of themselves simple and fast as possible to move on.. from my personal view... And I bet you will say the same back, so it's fine. I think that is the best result we can get to.

Communication is sometimes just a funny thing...
But hey, that is what we are here for.
I just think that at some point even the other side should learn when to just drop it and move on to '"something else"...
Talking is not finite and you can't always expect results for every single point of an issue with too different people. Trying too hard to do so after you know where other people stand and what kind of people they are.. sometimes kills the whole topic itself.

Sucks to feel like I have to explain that so much...
Post edited January 17, 2022 by Ramor_
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LootHunter: In this case, your commenting was just plain untrue. Vegans (most vegans anyway) don't object to other people eating meat, but they do object to waving meat in front of them.
Ccouldn't admit that you were wrong about what you quoted, so let's just ignore that bit. Vegans are against all unnecessary use of animals and that includes other people eating them. If you mean "don't object" as in don't speak out every time, then no thy don't always. If you mean "don't object" as in don't have a problem with it happening then you're wrong.

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LootHunter: Anyways, you still haven't presented any rational reason why GOG shouldn't sell porn games you don't like.
I might have said I don't like porn games somewhere in this thread, I can't remember, but why don't you point out where I said GOG shouldn't sell them? As for rational reasons why I think some games shouldn't be sold; if they have enough negative effect on a great number of (real) people or on society in general. As I said before, I'm not sure where that line lies which is why I'm not calling for anything to be banned, just that "you people" should allow the ones who have said it's a problem to express themselves without ridicule so that hopefully a fair and balanced solution could be found.

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LootHunter: Yes, that's exactly what you said. And never explained why "compromise" is for you getting your way on GOG and others having to go somewhere else for porn games you don't like.
Getting my way doesn't involve people having to go elsewhere for porn. Getting my way involves you and JuWalk stopping putting words in my mouth and for a solution to be found that is actually a compromise but I fear neither goal is achievable. I am on the side of the "ban crowd" because some of them are speaking from a place of distress and have been treated poorly in this thread. I'm also on the side of the "porn crowd" because I'm generally not in favour of banning things for a lot of the reasons you and JuWalk keep pretending I do want them banned for.

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JuWalk: I'm not complaining. I say: If you say you care about others, help those who really need help. And if you don't want to help those in need, but just want to fight on the Internet, don't lie that you're worried about others. That's all. If anything, this is not addressed to you personally, but to everyone in general.
In my opinion, it is better to be an honest bastard than a deceitful and hypocritical pseudo-good guy
Well I do my best in real life too, but I guess I'm not alowed say that if I also take some time to have a chat on the internet. Unexpected little window into your thoughts that you're better than other people there though.

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JuWalk: To give people the opportunity to hide what they don't like is a compromise, to remove, conditionally, 2 games instead of 5 is not a compromise. Because if today you delete at least one game for no good reason, tomorrow those who are dissatisfied with such games will say "since one has already been deleted, there should be no problem in deleting a few more." Russians have a very correct saying about this - "appetite comes with eating"
I'm not saying things should be removed because someone doesn't lke them, I'm saying you should be open to the idea that there may well be valid reasons to remove things. I totally get why you're concerned about it going too far though.

If you lot fail so badly to communicate with someone "in the middle" it's no wonder you can't listen to your "opposition".
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Krogan32: Don't view HappyPunkPotato too harshly. He's triggered today because I keep pointing out that he's a fake boycotter as he's stated that he is still buying games from GoG despite claiming that he's boycotted GoG.
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HappyPunkPotato: Following me round to harass me on other threads? You must really like me, want to meet up sometime? I applaud you on *almost* managing to not use your usual catchphrases. Changing "faux" to "fake" doesn't really cut it though,"
You deflection attempt has failed as this is about you and your nonsensical, faux stances that you have spouted here and on other threads. Either way, it's just hilariously pathetic that you keep getting your ass handed to you every time you engage in your hypocrisy.
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HappyPunkPotato: As for rational reasons why I think some games shouldn't be sold; if they have enough negative effect on a great number of (real) people or on society in general. As I said before, I'm not sure where that line lies which is why I'm not calling for anything to be banned, just that "you people" should allow the ones who have said it's a problem to express themselves without ridicule so that hopefully a fair and balanced solution could be found.
And I did exactly that. I asked people like bombardier and Ramor_ straight questions - Why do they think porn games are bad? What is the difference between porn games they are okay with and those they don't want on GOG? And (so far) didn't get any meaningful answer.

I've already said in my earlier comment, I'm okay if GOG doesn't sell certain games if GOG introduces clear and reasonable criteria for what GOG sells and what doesn't. "Some people feel uncomfortable" is not a clear and reasonable criterion, as there are many games on GOG that make some people uncomfortable in different ways due to their genre (horror games) or politics (Tonight We Riot, Through the Darkest of Times).

If you validate people who feel bad about boobs and invalidate people who feel bad about blood and violence at the same time, you aren't treating both sides equally, you aren't "in the middle".

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HappyPunkPotato: I am on the side of the "ban crowd" because some of them are speaking from a place of distress and have been treated poorly in this thread.
They were treated poorly because they themselves treat others poorly, demanding everyone to comply with their worldview and avoiding any reasonable discussion.

And while I'm not necessarily excusing other people who vented their frustration in the comments back at "ban crowd", you also should understand that there are limits to every person's patience and you can say "porn games are shit and shouldn't be here" only for so much.
Post edited January 17, 2022 by LootHunter
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HappyPunkPotato: If you lot fail so badly to communicate with someone "in the middle" it's no wonder you can't listen to your "opposition".
Now that made me chuckle.
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HappyPunkPotato: Just let them think what they want. You did your best and other people reading this thread themselves see and understand what you meant and don't need you or anyone else to explain it at this point. It's just baiting. Give them the "win". :D Seems like they need it.
They are on a mission. :D
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Ramor_: HappyPunkPotato: They are on a mission. :D
Projection 101.