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JuWalk: Well, show me the real reasons to decline these games. Not another subjective "I don't like them" or "They insult me". Again - the REAL ones. Some law or rule. Is there any? Nope. Do this games violate GoGs DRM-free position? No. So...?
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Breja: Most of them look like utter trash, and released in such large numbers over a short period of time they make the whole store look somewhat trashy and hurt the image of a "curated" store GOG tried to cultivate, and they make the already questionable curation look like an insulting joke when a porn game with 19 votes on the wishlist gets a release, but a developer of a game with almost 600 votes actively seeking a GOG release can't even get a reply from GOG.

Selling games with sex and boobies is nothing wrong. But the way GOG is going about it and other aspects of its curation is, in my opinion at least, problematic.
You do realize that almost everything said in this post is subjective, don't you? What looks bad to you looks good to someone else. And, just like that, what looks like a masterpiece to you looks like garbage to someone else. So this certainly can't be even a weak argument in favor of removing these games. Yes, and any others, in general (except for those that the developer left unfinished). Instead of nitpicking these games, insist that those that were previously rejected be given another chance. It will be both more constructive and more honest with respect to everyone

For example, for me "Thomas Was Alone" looks like trash, and nothing more. But there are users who think otherwise. And if GoG ever adds it to their catalog, I will not be indignant and demand to remove it. At the same time, if GoG one day decides to add a more or less objectively bad AO game to the catalog - I will be with you on the same side of the barricades, opposing it. It's just very important to be able to distinguish between "this is really bad" and "I personally don't like this"
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JuWalk: Well, show me the real reasons to decline these games. Not another subjective "I don't like them" or "They insult me". Again - the REAL ones. Some law or rule. Is there any? Nope. Do this games violate GoGs DRM-free position? No. So...?
I got a hypothesis why sex is taboo, while violence isn't: social control. It is important for authorities to have diplomatic influence on matters internal and external, determining who gets to start families at a chosen time and partner is key to that. Nephew A runs a weapon forge, while niece B has been eying that useless musician all the kids have been admiring. Marry her off to the nephew, so he will offer his weapons at a discount. Or maybe that village chief in a rival hamlet would share his cattle pasture, if you get him a youthful virgin? Either way, you become more influential - all you have to do is dictate who your niece is boinking.

Marriage was the traditional means of cementing ties between groups of people, so discouraging free love is very important to the power hungry. When it comes to violence, having everyone primed to murder is just fine, so long as you have a means of pointing them at someone you don't care about. After all, dead people can't keep their stuff from you.

The taboo of consensual sex and love of violence are simply the results of unmitigated greed.
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JuWalk: You do realize that almost everything said in this post is subjective, don't you? What looks bad to you looks good to someone else.
Let's stick your daughter \ sister \ mother in one of these disgusting porn things then, so you can gawk at her like that. Who cares what your daughter \ sister \ mother thinks, as long as you feel good about yourself.
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JuWalk: For example, for me "Thomas Was Alone" looks like trash, and nothing more.
I looked up Thomas Was Alone. It's not a disgusting porn game that degrades women. If you're going to compare things, compare like for like.


And strange that you insist on calling them 'AO' games, when it's the little boys that want them.
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Jesus these damn puritans have no good arguments going on.

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Breja: Most of them look like utter trash, and released in such large numbers over a short period of time they make the whole store look somewhat trashy and hurt the image of a "curated" store GOG tried to cultivate, and they make the already questionable curation look like an insulting joke when a porn game with 19 votes on the wishlist gets a release, but a developer of a game with almost 600 votes actively seeking a GOG release can't even get a reply from GOG.
Quality over quantity. No offense to indies platformers and roguelikes. But I can't fap to that shit. Games can make my downstairs feel good will get more of my attention and money.

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FrodoBaggins: Let's stick your daughter \ sister \ mother in one of these disgusting porn things then, so you can gawk at her like that. Who cares what your daughter \ sister \ mother thinks, as long as you feel good about yourself.
They're fictional characters, dude! It's all fantasy. People are getting hurt in these perverted hentai games as that one NPC who looks like your son \ brother \ father \ uncle in your last medieval RPG you killed. Or are you detached between the gaming and real world that you feel obligated to hold a funeral every time a death occurs in your games?

You're just looking for an excuse to bully other people who are minding their own damn business.
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JuWalk: You do realize that almost everything said in this post is subjective, don't you? What looks bad to you looks good to someone else.
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FrodoBaggins: Let's stick your daughter \ sister \ mother in one of these disgusting porn things then, so you can gawk at her like that. Who cares what your daughter \ sister \ mother thinks, as long as you feel good about yourself.
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JuWalk: For example, for me "Thomas Was Alone" looks like trash, and nothing more.
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FrodoBaggins: I looked up Thomas Was Alone. It's not a disgusting porn game that degrades women. If you're going to compare things, compare like for like.

And strange that you insist on calling them 'AO' games, when it's the little boys that want them.
Woah-woah-woah, cool down what is below your back, the glaciers are already melting too quickly :D Are some living people taking part in these games, and even against their will? You know what really humiliates and degrades women? The fact that among them there are such persons who are not able to distinguish drawings from living people, who can only whine "everyone offends me." A real strong and independent woman will never be infringed by pictures, because she is a person, not a crystal vase.


Oh yeah, so you know - girls play such games too. What do you say about this? They are not real women, but traitors who need to be exiled to another planet? :D
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JuWalk: Well, show me the real reasons to decline these games. Not another subjective "I don't like them" or "They insult me". Again - the REAL ones. Some law or rule. Is there any? Nope. Do this games violate GoGs DRM-free position? No. So...?
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Sabin_Stargem: I got a hypothesis why sex is taboo, while violence isn't: social control. It is important for authorities to have diplomatic influence on matters internal and external, determining who gets to start families at a chosen time and partner is key to that. Nephew A runs a weapon forge, while niece B has been eying that useless musician all the kids have been admiring. Marry her off to the nephew, so he will offer his weapons at a discount. Or maybe that village chief in a rival hamlet would share his cattle pasture, if you get him a youthful virgin? Either way, you become more influential - all you have to do is dictate who your niece is boinking.

Marriage was the traditional means of cementing ties between groups of people, so discouraging free love is very important to the power hungry. When it comes to violence, having everyone primed to murder is just fine, so long as you have a means of pointing them at someone you don't care about. After all, dead people can't keep their stuff from you.

The taboo of consensual sex and love of violence are simply the results of unmitigated greed.
Or maybe Americans are just prudes.
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LootHunter: Or maybe Americans are just prudes.
Possibly.

However, many modern practices and institutions are inherited from the past. For example, American police were originally slave catchers, but transitioned into enforcing the general peace on behalf of the wealthy. Much of the brutality we see today likely comes from that tainted origin.

Further, American society has a long history of not being merely "prudes". Many states have practiced forced eugenics in one fashion or another - basically forcing the poor, disabled, controversial, or none-white folks into pogroms to "correct" them through removing the ability to reproduce. IIRC, California had a facility in 2002 or 2012 shut down, one that specialized in women. The book "Moron", has details on America's practices against the innocent.
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Sabin_Stargem: American police were originally slave catchers, but transitioned into enforcing the general peace on behalf of the wealthy. Much of the brutality we see today likely comes from that tainted origin.
Dude, this part is complete BS. Even Wikipedia (that far too often pushes "social justice" BS) says otherwise American police originated from European law enforcement institutions, like Sheriff's Office. And yes, in US South law enforcement groups were used to catch slaves, but not the other way around.

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Sabin_Stargem: many modern practices and institutions are inherited from the past.
With this, I do agree. But it's not about eugenics or pogroms. It's simply that most early Europeans in America were protestant communities. Thus being a prude and preaching about that to others became a staple of American culture, known as American Exceptionalism or jingoism.

The last part is especially funny, as modern activists tend to bash the USA for forcing traditional religious protestant values on other people (both in the US and in other countries) in the past but have no problem forcing their own "progressive" values on other people (both in the US and in other countries) in the same manner.
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Breja: Most of them look like utter trash, and released in such large numbers over a short period of time they make the whole store look somewhat trashy and hurt the image of a "curated" store GOG tried to cultivate
Before GOG finally started to allow AO games a few months ago, most of the new releases on GOG were already trash even though they weren't AO games.

And that is still the case today. If a new game releases on GOG which isn't an AO game, then it's far more likely to be a trashy indie game than it is to be a good game.

To be clear, I'm not saying that all indie games are trashy; rather my point is that most of the games that arrive on GOG happen to be indies that are trashy, since GOG doesn't have enough clout/influence in the industry to attract high quality games on a regular basis.

Rarely does GOG ever get good games, other than from THQ Nordic, which is the only semi-big publisher that seems to care about releasing their games on GOG in a timely manner.

Contrary to your argument that GOG could fix this problem if only they 'curate' better: no, they couldn't.

Because GOG can only 'curate' those games that are offered to them in the first place. And for the most part, GOG is not being offered any high quality games in the first place.

Some people might cite an exception here and there of a high quality game that GOG has rejected. But that still doesn't change the gist of what I just said.

So...if GOG were to grant your wish, and started again to ban all AO games from coming to GOG...then all that would happen is that GOG continues to release trashy non-AO indie games most of the time, and with a good game being released once in a blue moon, as the rare exception.

And in that scenario, during those times when GOG isn't releasing trashy indie games, then they'd be having long dry spells of releasing nothing at all.

Weren't you one of the many posters who (rightfully so) complained about what a dud GOG's 2021 Winter Sale was, because there were no notable new release during it?

That sale is a great example of the point I'm making: the core issue that you are addressing actually has nothing to do with GOG releasing AO games at all, even though that's the premise you are - incorrectly - framing it inside of.

Rather, the issue that you are really getting at is that GOG is having very major problems attracting high quality new games.

GOG instructing their curators to "curate better," and/or to stop curating so many AO games, that instruction would have no possibility to improve upon the issue of the quality of games which GOG releases, since the high quality games almost always (with occasional exceptions though) aren't put upon the GOG curators' table in the first place.
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Ancient-Red-Dragon: GOG instructing their curators to "curate better," and/or to stop curating so many AO games, that instruction would have no possibility to improve upon the issue of the quality of games which GOG releases, since the high quality games almost always (with occasional exceptions though) aren't put upon the GOG curators' table in the first place.
Are you sure? Because AO flood is doing them no service. I haven't bought a thing from them in last couple of months.
There is even less of a chance of them being able to improve non AO offering if they start loosing customers.
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HappyPunkPotato:
thanks for sharing your opinion!
I still genuinely hope to get Frodo's one, though.
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JuWalk: It's really funny to hear about living in bubble from peoples who at the same time say "Boohoo drawn boobs give me a psychological trauma so you should delete them" :D
When I accepted GoG invitation there was never mention about porn game store. It was assumed we didn't came because of the porn, and long years of porn free business relationship confirms it. Porn on GoG is a recent thing. They are clearly pivoting and hoping to not alienate their existing customer base. Just because you can come up with some mental gymnastics to justify this, it doesn't make you right.

I have tried to come up with one reason what would be a reason that makes me into such a warrior for bringing porn into everyday life, and I am quite stomped.

It is not like there are no stores dedicated to porn.
They have a more approachable community where you could have deep long discussions about you preferred topic.
They don't publish mediocre releases like you see in comment of all GoG released porn games where users complain that this is the censored version.
You can select to visit these communities when you feel like it, instead of mixing it with your gaming experience.

Why are you not supporting these types of communities that already exist? Why are you here trying to convert GoG community into porn community? You clearly complain about porn games releases. We clearly complain about porn game releases. Nobody is happy.

The only reason I can think of such behavior is if I was some incel living in my mum's basement, and when she askes me what this GoG expense on her credit card statement is, I can say "GoG is a game store, mom."
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JuWalk: It's really funny to hear about living in bubble from peoples who at the same time say "Boohoo drawn boobs give me a psychological trauma so you should delete them" :D
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bombardier: When I accepted GoG invitation there was never mention about porn game store. It was assumed we didn't came because of the porn, and long years of porn free business relationship confirms it. Porn on GoG is a recent thing. They are clearly pivoting and hoping to not alienate their existing customer base. Just because you can come up with some mental gymnastics to justify this, it doesn't make you right.

I have tried to come up with one reason what would be a reason that makes me into such a warrior for bringing porn into everyday life, and I am quite stomped.

It is not like there are no stores dedicated to porn.
They have a more approachable community where you could have deep long discussions about you preferred topic.
They don't publish mediocre releases like you see in comment of all GoG released porn games where users complain that this is the censored version.
You can select to visit these communities when you feel like it, instead of mixing it with your gaming experience.

Why are you not supporting these types of communities that already exist? Why are you here trying to convert GoG community into porn community? You clearly complain about porn games releases. We clearly complain about porn game releases. Nobody is happy.

The only reason I can think of such behavior is if I was some incel living in my mum's basement, and when she askes me what this GoG expense on her credit card statement is, I can say "GoG is a game store, mom."
GoG has had games for adults in the past. Now their range is just getting bigger. And that's okay, because humanity for the most part is becoming less puritanical.

I am not at all surprised that a person who is obsessed with "this is about sex" and "sex is bad" did not understand what was going on. It's not that these games are about sex. The fact is that I am categorically against deleting something because a small proportion of users so wanted it. If tomorrow fanatics like you, but from a different group, begin to attack games of other genres (even those that I don't like) with the same persistence, I will also oppose them in the same way. Because restrictions that do not have a real need for that are always bad. It is also bad when a small group of people tries to dictate to everyone how they should live, even in those aspects that do not concern them.

None of you have named objective reasons for removing these games. This means that all your cries are an attempt to introduce censorship and dictatorship of a small group of users who imagine themselves better than others. And this is unacceptable

And now a counter question - why are you trying so hard to turn GoG from a store for everyone into a "corral" only for your ideological brothers and sisters?
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JuWalk: So this certainly can't be even a weak argument in favor of removing these games.
I never said anything about removing games.
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bombardier: Just because you can come up with some mental gymnastics
The only one, who engages in mental gymnastics, is you. You start talking about how games with porn are bad and how people who like those games should not be on GOG. And when asked, why don't you want GOG not to cater to those people, you start to screech how it "alienates" you and people like you.

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JuWalk: So this certainly can't be even a weak argument in favor of removing these games.
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Breja: I never said anything about removing games.
Yes, you just said that you don't want them to be in the store in the first place.
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