Me.

Because I'm not Hitler.

As mentioned earlier: Lift as chancellor since he's not Hitler. You'll be getting FFF so there is absolutely no reason not to take a confirmed non-Hitler.

Shooting: Joe or Pooka. Prefer Joe on the off-chance he's Hitler, but Pooka is a good choice too.

I don't think it is.


The problem is, by the time SPF get the chance to be President, we'll be at 5-5 due to trent's forced F policy. At this stage a Hitler is going to be as dangerous as a president as as a chancellor.

After trent we have to skip SPF to you.

Maybe I haven't made myself clear. Let me explain:

Lifthrasil has just made the argument that:

We cannot risk eliminating anyone other than Joe, because to eliminate a second Liberal puts the game at 4 Liberals & 4 Fascists.

He did not make the point that Blotunga may NOT have been Liberal. He made the assumption that he was.

Why?

I assume Blotunga is liberal based on Lifthrasil's behaviour. Is there anything about my behaviour that gives Lifthrasil reason to assume Blotunga is Liberal? No. Blotunga has been cleared of being Hitler, but not of being Fascist.

It is a slip. When all hope seemed lost, praise heaven it's a slip!!

Hopefully you'll see the significance and see that I've been Liberal all along, and you'll hear out my proposal:

Even though Lifthrasil is scum, I'm still in two minds about ZFR. I don't think he can be fascist, because why would he lie about passing a liberal policy to Pooka? It makes no sense. But. It's a possibility.

If he did lie about passing the L, then there'd still be an L in the pack, and it would mean ZFR's trusting Trentonlf to cover it. I propose we skip to SirPrimalform's presidency, and elect flubbucket as chancellor, who's the only one I can trust now that Blotunga's dead.

Does anybody see how Lifthrasil knowing Blotunga's alignment means he must be Fascist? Please, please trust me! We're so clost to losing.

Thanks for the slip.

See? I too can remove words from a quote to change its meaning.

What Lift wrote is precisely this:

Underlining mine.

Yet when you quoted him, you so conveniently ignored the first part.

Unless you mean another quote that Lift made? If so can you quote it? In full. With post number.

Clutching at straws now?

Hmmm you just might have spotted something. Or you might be purposely twisting Lifts words. I'm not sure, maybe he meant 'we can't risk losing another Liberal because I don't know if Blotunga might well have been Liberal'. I dunno.

How about you actually read the quote? It's right there:
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/secret_hitler_2_everybody_is_a_star/post1351

"And should blotunga have been Liberal, we can't afford another accidental Liberal death. Because then the Fascists could block every Liberal-Liberal government, forcing a random policy in the last round."

"Should blotunga have been Liberal" is pretty clear: Lift doesn't know if blotunga is liberal or not but is outlying worst case scenario.

Very Scummy Joe and I actually bought that at face value. Liberals don't lie.

Yes I only saw your post after replying to Joe and needed to wait 10 minutes to reply to yourself

I have to tip my hat to his efforts all the same

ZFR already caught you at the mis-representation of what I wrote. But the underlined part is false as well. It's even in the same paragraph where you supposedly found the blotunga 'slip'. So you must have read it. That paragraph starts with:
How you think you can twist that into: "We cannot risk eliminating anyone other than Joe" in that paragraph, is beyond me. You are really desperate by now, aren't you? I take that as a confirmation that our plan is a good one.

I was hoping to hear from SPF, I’ll nominate a chancellor later tomorrow.

But he's already used up his three words for this month.

fuck. how did I miss that? I went back and read it, but I was so certain.

when you're drowning straws can look very much like lifelines.

I hate this.

Please do. SPF is, unfortunately, mostly absent and I think everyone who wanted to pitch in about your Chancellor nomination has done so by now.

You actually had me reconsidering the possibility that maybe ZFR and Lift were the scumteam up until that point.

I have a message I wrote yesterday: It's a little embarrassing now that it turns out Lifthrasil did suggest doubt over blotunga's Liberalness, but there's still some interesting points that might help you think.



MESSAGE BEGINS HERE


Hello Everybody. This is Joe from the past. I'm writing this on the 28th of September, 2019.

I am about to send this post:

"Maybe I haven't made myself clear. Let me explain:

Lifthrasil has just made the argument that:

We cannot risk eliminating anyone other than Joe, because to eliminate a second Liberal puts the game at 4 Liberals & 4 F.

He did not make the point that Blotunga may NOT have been Liberal. He made the assumption that he was.

Why?

I assume Blotunga is liberal based on Lifthrasil's behaviour. Is there anything about my behaviour that gives Lifthrasil reason to assume Blotunga is Liberal? No. Blotunga has been cleared of being Hitler, but not of being Fascist.

It is a slip. When all hope seemed lost, praise heaven it's a slip!!

Hopefully you'll see the significance and see that I've been Liberal all along, and you'll hear out my proposal:

Even though Lifthrasil is scum, I'm still in two minds about ZFR. I don't think he can be f, because why would he lie about passing a liberal policy to Pooka? It makes no sense. But. It's a possibility.

If he did lie about passing the L, then there'd still be an L in the pack, and it would mean ZFR's trusting Trentonlf to cover it. I propose we skip to SirPrimalform's presidency, and elect flubbucket as chancellor, who's the only one I can trust now that Blotunga's dead.

Does anybody see how Lifthrasil knowing Blotunga's alignment means he must be F? Please, please trust me! We're so clost to losing."

This message is a trap.


It occurred to me that, just because ZFR's lying about passing the Liberal policy, doesn't mean he's lying about drawing it.

Maybe he thought that a lie that's closest to the truth is the safest. Maybe he didn't want RTCVB or himself to look under scrutiny when the last three Fs emerged.

I don't know ZFR's alignment still, but it opened up possibilities in my mind.

I wondered: If ZFR's f, why isn't the game over? Why elect Pooka over Hitler?

There are two reasons:

1. ZFR is H - but this makes little sense when you consider that H doesn't know the other Fs.

2. H is unelectable.

And then something struck me.

If there was someone who couldn't be elected because they were seeming F, then the Fs would have to be very careful that they didn't get executed.

And that made me think that someone was conspicuously absent from the "Who-should-we-kill?" debate.

Who's unelectable?

And Unshootable?

Flubbucket.

The very idea is laughable. I genuinely laughed out loud when I pictured how energetically I pioneered for Flubbucket's government.

But there's a twisted beauty to the idea that I can't look away from.

So I'm going to test it out.

I'm sending my trap message. If ZFR's f, and my insane idea is right, he might take the chance to divert the game to victory. I'm hoping it will seem hilariously perfect - that Joe finally beats Lifthrasil only to deliver the game to H.

But, he might not risk it.

Or he might not be F

Or flubbucket might not be H

Still, it will be great fun to try. And if ZFR responds to my plan by admitting that lifthrasil's probably F after all, then that would probably be enough to swing the game to a liberal win in itself.

This is crazy, but it just might work. See you in the future!

Joe x

MESSAGE ENDS


So obviously I was putting even more hope into the 'trap' than I realised it deserves. I've been a fool.

But there's an interesting point to take from it: Why was flubbucket never considered for execution?

(cue someone pointing out to Joe some long debate over flubbucket that he missed)



Mania has not yet dissipated. More to come! x