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Posted December 17, 2020
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JackBurton.: All the huge companys are bending but small cdpr can stand ground....lol.Own a company make bilions of dollars in china and then be put in a situation like that u gnna lick xi ping boots.Its the big boys that have to step in first
Of course. That's the thing with a country that has freedom of speech and one that doesn't. If I make a game critical of America or the US government, I can't be banned due to the 1st Amendment and can still do business. If I do the same with China, they can outright ban me entirely from the market.

So companies have to bend the knee in order to keep that revenue stream open. The only way to combat that is to make doing business with China more ruinous.

And that requires Western governments to enact things like tariffs and other such things.
Posted December 17, 2020
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Dogmaus: I wonder if this could be fixed removing the Xi Jinping reference, if it hasn't been attempted first, or the people complaining about the game being released would still be mad about it.
Spoiler: The reference was patched out a bit before the game's removal on Steam. It didn't help one bit.
Posted December 17, 2020
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Bring Devotion back!
Posted December 17, 2020
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KoreaBeat: Bring Devotion back!
Thankfully we had a blue moon this year and with that CDPR have chosen to listen to the community for once, but it was put through google translate too many times, what they heard instead was bring devotion to the CCP.
Posted December 17, 2020
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Horrible call on removing the game. This company cares more about money then having integrity. What a fucking joke. You can start puting on the clown makeup if you are going to play the part.
Posted December 17, 2020
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Dogmaus: And how has GOG reached this point? If they didn't expect reactions they haven't done their homework.
This is the part that really confuses me hahaha

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Snargelfargen: The odd thing is, GOG already decided to make that statement independently. They had to know the CCP is ready to revoke business licenses and such.

I haven't seen anybody calling for GOG to do so (although I am very curious as to how many votes Devotion got on the community wishlist before all this. My guess is not a lot, compared to other games.).

E: Wow, those are some real clickbait youtube video titles. Also, really wish people would say CCP instead of China. There's a government, and then there's millions of regular people.
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gameragodzilla: The CCP is China, for all intents and purposes. They're in control and the people are either brainwashed or browbeat into submission. That's just a fact.

I encourage any and all anti-China sentiment. Doing so will not only help the world but even Chinese people themselves.

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A Chinese person
Then you should know that encouraging anti-Chinese sentiment is a goal of a of the CCP's online trolls. It helps shore up support for the government when citizens see Westerners railing against China for... well, whatever causes outrage at the present moment in time. (Unless it becomes politically expedient to tone down the rhetoric with a nation for other reasons, in which case state media will suddenly change their tone)
Post edited December 17, 2020 by Snargelfargen
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Dogmaus: And how has GOG reached this point? If they didn't expect reactions they haven't done their homework.
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Snargelfargen: This is the part that really confuses me hahaha

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gameragodzilla: The CCP is China, for all intents and purposes. They're in control and the people are either brainwashed or browbeat into submission. That's just a fact.

I encourage any and all anti-China sentiment. Doing so will not only help the world but even Chinese people themselves.

Signed,

A Chinese person
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Snargelfargen: Then you should know that encouraging anti-Chinese sentiment is a goal of a of the CCP's online trolls. It helps shore up support for the government when citizens see Westerners railing against China for... well, whatever causes outrage at the present moment in time. (Unless it becomes politically expedient to tone down the rhetoric with a nation for other reasons, in which case state media will suddenly change their tone)
I couldn't care less what they think at this point, especially given that many Chinese people are fed up with this and only are able to speak about it in private due to suffering consequences if they go public.

Anything that helps topple the Chinese regime faster is a good thing.
Posted December 17, 2020
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Snargelfargen: The odd thing is, GOG already decided to make that statement independently. They had to know the CCP is ready to revoke business licenses and such.

I haven't seen anybody calling for GOG to do so (although I am very curious as to how many votes Devotion got on the community wishlist before all this. My guess is not a lot, compared to other games.).

E: Wow, those are some real clickbait youtube video titles. Also, really wish people would say CCP instead of China. There's a government, and then there's millions of regular people.
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gameragodzilla: The CCP is China, for all intents and purposes. They're in control and the people are either brainwashed or browbeat into submission. That's just a fact.

I encourage any and all anti-China sentiment. Doing so will not only help the world but even Chinese people themselves.

Signed,

A Chinese person
I too hate communism, so you have my back.
Posted December 17, 2020
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I just discovered this news by watching a youtube video: Are you serious CDPR? Like for real? I did started to use GoG and buy your games directly from you on your platform because I wanted to change game industry for better not to bow before Chinase goverment because some snowflake Xi Jinping Winnie the Pooh!!! I want answers. I stopped playing Activision-Blizzard games for censoring for China sake!!! Do you seriously planning to go that route?!!!
Post edited December 17, 2020 by T3RS1
Posted December 17, 2020
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Makasouls: As long as he keeps forcing thr Chinese slaves to makr my cheap electronics I do not care, and dont lie either do you. There is a phone thats made in the usa and its 2000 dollars, and worse spec wise than a phone from 10 yeara ago. So if we cant call small p syndrome chinese preidnet whinny the moron pooh in video games who cares.

I rather enjoy thier slaves making me my refigerators, cell phones,oleds, rvs, computers and everything.
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toxicTom: You should have put /sarcasm at the end. You know the internet.

On the other hand, wouldn't have helped either, people don't like having their hypocrisy shoved down their throats anyway XD
hahaha true that, which is why i get banned from everything, kinda refreshing gog hasnt bsnned me for doing that.

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Spl_itends: Horrible call on removing the game. This company cares more about money then having integrity. What a fucking joke. You can start puting on the clown makeup if you are going to play the part.
Yep cause im sure you can claim rightiousness. You are using Chinese slave labor for something. Just pumping gas isnt moral in the slightest. The way it is obtained and Americans domination of it is a crime agaisnt integity.
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Posted December 17, 2020
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Makasouls: hahaha true that, which is why i get banned from everything, kinda refreshing gog hasnt bsnned me for doing that.

Yep cause im sure you can claim rightiousness. You are using Chinese slave labor for something. Just pumping gas isnt moral in the slightest. The way it is obtained and Americans domination of it is a crime agaisnt integity.
There's a difference in needing necessities to survive in capitalism and bowing to a dictatorship for more profit for you and your actionists. To buy everything or at least most stuff from ethical sources as a private is a privilege. To actively accept political pressure to censorship on a game (that is not even a basic need) for more profit is different from knowing that the people picking your tomatoes or making your phone are underpaid, because those are the only ones you can afford to make ends meet at the end of the month. There's no ethical consumption under capitalism and yadda yadda. But again, I was disillusioned about GOG already and I see how gullible I have been in thinking that there were values here and it was somehow "more than just a business". This is the game industry. I am undecided now about boycotting GOG, as I was gullible enough to develop an attachment to a brand, but it's something one can do without consequences, compared to giving up to cheaper necessities living in a faulted system. So I see a difference between me knowing that I need a cheap jacket to go through the winter or new shoes without holes and purchasing entertainment. And a difference with the choices of a big business. Also, I honestly don't have much purchase power for entertainment and I just drop the occasional 2,3 euros during sales once in a while, so I know that me boycotting is not a big deal, but it would be based on principle and summing up with other people. On the other hand, it's the DRM.free platform that I don't feel ready to leave yet and don't really see an alternative to, despite all of its problems. But I would like them to be accountable of their beheaviour.
Posted December 17, 2020
GOG's response was odd to me, they changed their mind after receiving lots of emails from gamers. Does GOG or even CDPR really have that many customers in China, enough to change their mind? Or is it the shareholders of the company that put the pressure on. To me GOG/CDPR stopped being the "rebel platform/company" the minute they went public.

Putting political messages in this way, into games that are not aimed at being political games feels pointless to me, it doesn't do the game any favour, it doesn't add anything of value as a gamer. (for me at least). So I question the developer's choice in this. The Saint's Row and GTA games in contrast, are the Mel Brooks of video games, I expect quite a few political punts because these games make fun of almost everything.
Posted December 17, 2020
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I just wanted to voice support for Devotion here, for what it's worth. I don't buy a lot of games, but I've historically only used Gog because I despise DRM. I was actually seriously considering buying a new computer just to play Cyberpunk (my computers are all low-end Linux-based).

I cannot in good conscience support a company that engages in political censorship (whether it's a message I agree with or not), so I will not be buying any games from Gog at all for the foreseeable future.
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adanedhel728: I just wanted to voice support for Devotion here, for what it's worth. I don't buy a lot of games, but I've historically only used Gog because I despise DRM. I was actually seriously considering buying a new computer just to play Cyberpunk (my computers are all low-end Linux-based).

I cannot in good conscience support a company that engages in political censorship (whether it's a message I agree with or not), so I will not be buying any games from Gog at all for the foreseeable future.
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Yeah GOG is really making a dumb move here.

If you want DRM-free games, you should check out zoom-platform
They don't have a forum, and only(afaik) take paypal atm, but they have some good games there & they're all DRM free.
Post edited December 17, 2020 by GamezRanker
Posted December 17, 2020
Release this game you cowards!!!
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