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This too while we're at it: CD Projekt Red vows to clean China boots! Cyberpunk 2077 owners bow before Xi and cancels Devotion!
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Makasouls: As long as he keeps forcing thr Chinese slaves to makr my cheap electronics I do not care, and dont lie either do you. There is a phone thats made in the usa and its 2000 dollars, and worse spec wise than a phone from 10 yeara ago. So if we cant call small p syndrome chinese preidnet whinny the moron pooh in video games who cares.

I rather enjoy thier slaves making me my refigerators, cell phones,oleds, rvs, computers and everything.
Sadly this kind of reasoning actually has some merit. There are so many people who are upset about GOG's stance on selling this game, yet they think nothing of buying their slave made goods from China. Why is GOG expected to make some kind of political statement regarding this game when the general public has been supporting slave labour in China for decades. It makes zero sense.
Post edited December 17, 2020 by joelandsonja
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joelandsonja: Sadly this kind of reasoning actually has some merit. There are so many people who are upset about GOG's stance on selling this game, yet they think nothing of buying their slave made goods from China. Why is GOG expected to make some kind of political statement regarding this game when the general public has been supporting slave labour in China for decades. It makes zero sense.
The odd thing is, GOG already decided to make that statement independently. They had to know the CCP is ready to revoke business licenses and such.

I haven't seen anybody calling for GOG to do so (although I am very curious as to how many votes Devotion got on the community wishlist before all this. My guess is not a lot, compared to other games.).


E: Wow, those are some real clickbait youtube video titles. Also, really wish people would say CCP instead of China. There's a government, and then there's millions of regular people.
Post edited December 17, 2020 by Snargelfargen
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joelandsonja: Sadly this kind of reasoning actually has some merit. There are so many people who are upset about GOG's stance on selling this game, yet they think nothing of buying their slave made goods from China. Why is GOG expected to make some kind of political statement regarding this game when the general public has been supporting slave labour in China for decades. It makes zero sense.
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Snargelfargen: The odd thing is, GOG already decided to make that statement independently. They had to know the CCP is ready to revoke business licenses and such.

I haven't seen anybody calling for GOG to do so (although I am very curious as to how many votes Devotion got on the community wishlist before all this. My guess is not a lot, compared to other games.).

E: Wow, those are some real clickbait youtube video titles. Also, really wish people would say CCP instead of China. There's a government, and then there's millions of regular people.
The CCP is China, for all intents and purposes. They're in control and the people are either brainwashed or browbeat into submission. That's just a fact.

I encourage any and all anti-China sentiment. Doing so will not only help the world but even Chinese people themselves.

Signed,

A Chinese person
All the huge companys are bending but small cdpr can stand ground....lol.Own a company make bilions of dollars in china and then be put in a situation like that u gnna lick xi ping boots.Its the big boys that have to step in first
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JackBurton.: All the huge companys are bending but small cdpr can stand ground....lol.Own a company make bilions of dollars in china and then be put in a situation like that u gnna lick xi ping boots.Its the big boys that have to step in first
Of course. That's the thing with a country that has freedom of speech and one that doesn't. If I make a game critical of America or the US government, I can't be banned due to the 1st Amendment and can still do business. If I do the same with China, they can outright ban me entirely from the market.

So companies have to bend the knee in order to keep that revenue stream open. The only way to combat that is to make doing business with China more ruinous.

And that requires Western governments to enact things like tariffs and other such things.
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Dogmaus: And how has GOG reached this point? If they didn't expect reactions they haven't done their homework.
This is the part that really confuses me hahaha

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Snargelfargen: The odd thing is, GOG already decided to make that statement independently. They had to know the CCP is ready to revoke business licenses and such.

I haven't seen anybody calling for GOG to do so (although I am very curious as to how many votes Devotion got on the community wishlist before all this. My guess is not a lot, compared to other games.).

E: Wow, those are some real clickbait youtube video titles. Also, really wish people would say CCP instead of China. There's a government, and then there's millions of regular people.
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gameragodzilla: The CCP is China, for all intents and purposes. They're in control and the people are either brainwashed or browbeat into submission. That's just a fact.

I encourage any and all anti-China sentiment. Doing so will not only help the world but even Chinese people themselves.

Signed,

A Chinese person
Then you should know that encouraging anti-Chinese sentiment is a goal of a of the CCP's online trolls. It helps shore up support for the government when citizens see Westerners railing against China for... well, whatever causes outrage at the present moment in time. (Unless it becomes politically expedient to tone down the rhetoric with a nation for other reasons, in which case state media will suddenly change their tone)
Post edited December 17, 2020 by Snargelfargen
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Dogmaus: And how has GOG reached this point? If they didn't expect reactions they haven't done their homework.
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Snargelfargen: This is the part that really confuses me hahaha

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gameragodzilla: The CCP is China, for all intents and purposes. They're in control and the people are either brainwashed or browbeat into submission. That's just a fact.

I encourage any and all anti-China sentiment. Doing so will not only help the world but even Chinese people themselves.

Signed,

A Chinese person
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Snargelfargen: Then you should know that encouraging anti-Chinese sentiment is a goal of a of the CCP's online trolls. It helps shore up support for the government when citizens see Westerners railing against China for... well, whatever causes outrage at the present moment in time. (Unless it becomes politically expedient to tone down the rhetoric with a nation for other reasons, in which case state media will suddenly change their tone)
I couldn't care less what they think at this point, especially given that many Chinese people are fed up with this and only are able to speak about it in private due to suffering consequences if they go public.

Anything that helps topple the Chinese regime faster is a good thing.
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Snargelfargen: The odd thing is, GOG already decided to make that statement independently. They had to know the CCP is ready to revoke business licenses and such.

I haven't seen anybody calling for GOG to do so (although I am very curious as to how many votes Devotion got on the community wishlist before all this. My guess is not a lot, compared to other games.).

E: Wow, those are some real clickbait youtube video titles. Also, really wish people would say CCP instead of China. There's a government, and then there's millions of regular people.
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gameragodzilla: The CCP is China, for all intents and purposes. They're in control and the people are either brainwashed or browbeat into submission. That's just a fact.

I encourage any and all anti-China sentiment. Doing so will not only help the world but even Chinese people themselves.

Signed,

A Chinese person
I too hate communism, so you have my back.
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I just discovered this news by watching a youtube video: Are you serious CDPR? Like for real? I did started to use GoG and buy your games directly from you on your platform because I wanted to change game industry for better not to bow before Chinase goverment because some snowflake Xi Jinping Winnie the Pooh!!! I want answers. I stopped playing Activision-Blizzard games for censoring for China sake!!! Do you seriously planning to go that route?!!!
Post edited December 17, 2020 by T3RS1
GOG's response was odd to me, they changed their mind after receiving lots of emails from gamers. Does GOG or even CDPR really have that many customers in China, enough to change their mind? Or is it the shareholders of the company that put the pressure on. To me GOG/CDPR stopped being the "rebel platform/company" the minute they went public.

Putting political messages in this way, into games that are not aimed at being political games feels pointless to me, it doesn't do the game any favour, it doesn't add anything of value as a gamer. (for me at least). So I question the developer's choice in this. The Saint's Row and GTA games in contrast, are the Mel Brooks of video games, I expect quite a few political punts because these games make fun of almost everything.
This:
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joelandsonja: Sadly this kind of reasoning actually has some merit. There are so many people who are upset about GOG's stance on selling this game, yet they think nothing of buying their slave made goods from China. Why is GOG expected to make some kind of political statement regarding this game when the general public has been supporting slave labour in China for decades. It makes zero sense.
I find the moral indignation on this particular issue to be hypocritical at best.

Anybody who drives a non-electric car, eats red meat or buy cheap products made in foreign countries (I hope nobody complaining here has an iphone) is applying a double standard on this issue.

Lets be honest, the real worry people are expressing here is growing Chinese influence in the world (I would surmise some posters are being made aware of it in a concrete way for the first time here). That's it.

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gameragodzilla: So companies have to bend the knee in order to keep that revenue stream open. The only way to combat that is to make doing business with China more ruinous.

And that requires Western governments to enact things like tariffs and other such things.
I don't see devotion on any game store. I hope people leaving will refrain from purchasing games in the future.

The overwelming majority of corporate entities will bow to the will of a powerful nation state if the request is not downright ruinous.

If you want to impact another nation-state in a significant manner, you need your own nation-state to act (or coalition of thereof in the case of EU).

I think the visibility multi-national corps have has blinded some people about who the main movers of the world are.

If you live in a democracy, your vote has a lot more influence than your money.
Post edited January 13, 2021 by Magnitus
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Snargelfargen: GOG knew going in that releasing Devotion would create a backlash.

So I'm sad and surprised to see that it's been pulled so quickly. Also a little weirded out. Was it pushback from investors? A credible threat of DDOS or some other form of cyberwarfare? Like, dang, they knew what they were getting into. A flip-flop that fast is seriously weird.
Nothing sinister or political about it, GOG favors large markets (so much so that they became completely unfeasible price-wise in some regions) and China is the largest of them all. Basically, this is economic interest, pure and simple.