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MarkoH01: Links to kickstarters? You mean helping those guys who might be your parterns soon? Wow - that's a new level of crazy.
"Might be" are the keywords here.
Not every KS will deliver GOG keys to its backers.
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Alexim: I didn't understand why close the thread on Epic Games Store, but not the one on Steam or the one on Zoom.
Don't give them ideas. The more threads we will mention the more they will close and soon we won't have any threads left to discuss ... because apparently that's the new GOG they aim for. More DRM loopholes and more censoring in forums ... I am quite sure that's what we all wished for.
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MarkoH01: Links to kickstarters? You mean helping those guys who might be your parterns soon? Wow - that's a new level of crazy.
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BreOl72: "Might be" are the keywords here.
Not every KS will deliver GOG keys to its backers.
That's true but in most cases the problem (once again) is on GOG's side. Most kickstarters are TRYING to be on GOG and we all know their so called "curation" ... it's not just sad that kickstarter advertisement is not allowed it is a big shame since those guys really need help. I actually hate GOG for this decision since I know quite a few devs who are dependent on mouth to mouth propaganda to get their game started and to get it here on GOG as well.
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MarkoH01: I know quite a few devs who are dependent on mouth to mouth propaganda to get their game started and to get it here on GOG as well.
But the "mouth-to-mouth propaganda isn't the problem at all.
You can still have that. Just without directly linking to the KS-project.

Simply mention the name of the game, what it is about, and tell us why you think it should be backed.
At this point, everybody who is interested in KS, should know how to google for their projects.

And - who knows - once they made a commitment to a GOG release (and GOG is on board, ofc.) maybe links to that KS-project won't be forbidden anymore.
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InkPanther: May I ask if the reporting person was actually warned for posting a link to another store, or perhaps they were, I don't know, spamming, making a mess of the forum, or trolling, and they just happened to get a warning with that particular article in CoC? It all feels very random and verges on a pettiness of someone with hurt feelings.
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SmollestLight: While I'm not at liberty to dive deeper into whom, or what happened with the user, I can assure you it has been several reports, not only one. While we investigate every report, we receive, we also make sure it isn't something used by the user as pettiness. I can definitely understand, why it would seem like a "vendetta" from a user, but it wasn't the case.
I know for a fact that you don't know that that wasn't the case, and am reasonably certain that you know perfectly well that it is.
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joppo: It is amazing how Gog suddenly discovered that an almost 13-years old thread is against the CoC.

I get that it is their right. But do they really think this will make them more money in the long run? I think they have taken a controversial position for no actual advantage.
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SmollestLight: Our Forum Code of Conduct has been reworked in the recent years. This isn't about money, but simply following the Conduct and like the statement said, we agree with the reports received that it wouldn't be fair to keep these threads open.

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fronzelneekburm: This one too.

SmollestLight is going on a rampage.
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SmollestLight: It isn't a "rampage" I'm just closing all threads, that have been reported and are against COC. :)
It's really funny that you did nothing to user with signature stating fuck gog. fuck turkey. fuck russia. and fuck putin for few weeks after report. Isn't that against COC too?
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MarkoH01: I know quite a few devs who are dependent on mouth to mouth propaganda to get their game started and to get it here on GOG as well.
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BreOl72: But the "mouth-to-mouth propaganda isn't the problem at all.
You can still have that. Just without directly linking to the KS-project.

Simply mention the name of the game, what it is about, and tell us why you think it should be backed.
At this point, everybody who is interested in KS, should know how to google for their projects.

And - who knows - once they made a commitment to a GOG release (and GOG is on board, ofc.) maybe links to that KS-project won't be forbidden anymore.
That's idiotic. Everybody already knows about Steam and Humble and Itch and Zoom without a link as well. Everybody knows how to use google ,,, so this whole links=advertisement rule is bull... If this is a forum in which I have to chose every word before I post it I will simply stop using this forum at all ... and if GOG continues this route I will also stop using this store at all. I am so sick of GOGs decisions right now. This here was fun a long time ago - made from gamers for gamers with rules made by people instead of a company ... and it felt this way. Not anymore, unfortunately.
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MarkoH01: I know quite a few devs who are dependent on mouth to mouth propaganda to get their game started and to get it here on GOG as well.
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BreOl72: But the "mouth-to-mouth propaganda isn't the problem at all.
You can still have that. Just without directly linking to the KS-project.

Simply mention the name of the game, what it is about, and tell us why you think it should be backed.
At this point, everybody who is interested in KS, should know how to google for their projects.

And - who knows - once they made a commitment to a GOG release (and GOG is on board, ofc.) maybe links to that KS-project won't be forbidden anymore.
dont forget that if you back a project on KS and they later gives gOg keys, gOg temselves do not make a cent out of it. in fact, they lose a little bit of mony. so it is not only a matter if a KS project will be on gOg or not.
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MarkoH01: snip
How hard can it be to understand this?
As long as a KS game isn't confirmed for a GOG release, the route over a KS link is just a detour to another store.
And GOG doesn't want that (anymore). Which I think, is understandable.

However - as soon as a KS game is confirmed for a GOG release, GOG has a business interest in supporting that KS game.
So, their rules in regard to KS links might get changed in such cases.

In short:
Game gets released (only) on another store --> no link allowed.
Game gets released (also) here on GOG --> link is allowed.
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BreOl72: [...]
As long as a KS game isn't confirmed for a GOG release, the route over a KS link is just a detour to another store.
And GOG doesn't want that (anymore). Which I think, is understandable.
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no, that's the point. even if a project is confirmed for gOg it is still "just a detour to another store", as the profit of that sale goes to Kickstarter, not gOg.

you can compare it to a game sold on Humble that gives a gOg key, the profit goes to Humble, not gOg, so by the new standards I can not link to Humbles page for Cyberpunk or Witcher 3, even though they are deliverd as gOg keys.

edit - not a sale.... Kicstarter do not sell games.... though they take a % of mony pledged if the project gets funded
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amok: if you back a project on KS and they later gives gOg keys, gOg temselves do not make a cent out of it.
in fact, they lose a little bit of mony. so it is not only a matter if a KS project will be on gOg or not.
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amok: ...the profit of that sale goes to Kickstarter, not gOg.
...a game sold on Humble that gives a gOg key, the profit goes to Humble, not gOg
Is there any official confirmation for that claim?
Because, honestly, I find it hard to believe that they would hand out keys for free (or even at a loss).

Edit: btw - if it's actually the case, that GOG is even losing money on KS keys...that would simply be another reasonable explanation as to why they don't want links to KS anymore.
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amok: if you back a project on KS and they later gives gOg keys, gOg temselves do not make a cent out of it.
in fact, they lose a little bit of mony. so it is not only a matter if a KS project will be on gOg or not.
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BreOl72:
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amok: ...the profit of that sale goes to Kickstarter, not gOg.
...a game sold on Humble that gives a gOg key, the profit goes to Humble, not gOg
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BreOl72: Is there any official confirmation for that claim?
Because, honestly, I find it hard to believe that they would hand out keys for free (or even at a loss).

Edit: btw - if it's actually the case, that GOG is even losing money on KS keys...that would simply be another reasonable explanation as to why they don't want links to KS anymore.
not offical from gOg as such. there was the dev Q&A from 2017, where they said "A: We are friends with Humble and for some games there are GOG keys already. Still the final decision is on the developer's side. From our side we are always glad to provide devs with GOG codes that they can use on other platforms."
(https://www.reddit.com/r/gog/comments/67uksk/gog_bizdev_qa_answers/)

I based it on this being the "industry standard", i.e. the other stores (Steam, Epic etc) do not charge for keys, Steam even let produceers generate their own keys. There has been cases of delveopers giving gOg keys in the past if people could claim that they had bought the game elsewhere, and i donot see them doing that out of their own pocket.

The only complaint I have seen from devs about gOg keys, is that they are difficult to get (the process), not that there is any cost involved. as those deves have voiced those complaints, i do not see how they would not talked about cost as well, when comparing to for example Steam.

i base it on this, but can try to find some sources when i am not half asleep

edit - the reason why i say they lose a little bit of money, is beacuse they need to host the game, provide the bandwith and maintain it for a custmer who have not paid them anything
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I feel like I've arrived at GoG at a time just after the last petal has fallen from the flower and just before it hit the floor.
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amok: not offical from gOg as such.
Yeah, well...
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amok: edit - the reason why i say they lose a little bit of money, is beacuse they need to host the game, provide the bandwith and maintain it for a custmer who have not paid them anything
Yeah, I get that.
But there needs to be some incentive in offering (free) keys for games, else this makes no sense.
Of course, the possibility to sell games to customers who didn't back a game on KS might be that incentive.

But if those numbers aren't big enough to warrant the (alledged) costs...I mean. I can understand them.
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amok: dont forget that if you back a project on KS and they later gives gOg keys, gOg temselves do not make a cent out of it. in fact, they lose a little bit of mony. so it is not only a matter if a KS project will be on gOg or not.
Sigh.
Don't spread misinformation. I mean, what you said is not wrong, but it's also not the whole picture.

So let's say a game was successfully funded on KS and they need to release 50k keys to backers. Do you think Gog won't sell 300k copies of the same game afterwards? A game that was successful during dev and was accepted by Gog's curation is suddenly a commercial failure?

It defies logic and implies Gog's commercial department is a bunch of morons with dump stats in both INT and WIS.

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FoxSunset: I feel like I've arrived at GoG at a time just after the last petal has fallen from the flower and just before it hit the floor.
Aye, looks like you did. I'm sorry for you, tho I don't know it's worse than the sadness I get when I compare old Gog and current Gog.
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FoxSunset: I feel like I've arrived at GoG at a time just after the last petal has fallen from the flower and just before it hit the floor.
Think of it as the canary in the coalmine.