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As a Finnish person educated mostly in the US, I can give a rough breakdown of what history at least california public schools covered 10 years ago.

Ancient Egypt, Mesopotamia, moving onto Greece and Rome (pretty heavily covered), then it kinda glosses over a couple hundred years of European dark ages in a few minutes, jumps to the Scientific Revolution and then Industrial Revolution, somewhere in there the French Revolution, and also covers every little minutia of US history from colonization, slave trade, independence, and civil war, then WW1/ww2 and heavy holocaust, and pretty much nothing after that. Each year was dedicated to a different portion of history, usually kinda vaciliating between US and world history, but I'd say US history was more developed. Asia mostly not mentioned except for a few points where the US came in contact (poppy trade in China, US forcing Japan's ports open), but Europe and Western civilization roots fairly well covered.

As for British history, there is a little in terms of kings, succession, etc, but not very much at all except for things like Magna Carta, etc. Oh yea, and Native Americans.
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sauvignon1: I have a question for Japanese members:

Do the Japanese history books mention Unit 731 and/or Nanking? If so, how are these events portrayed?
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Navagon: From what I've gathered, Japan heavily airbrushes things out of their history books. It would be interesting to hear from a Japanese GOGer just how bad that situation is there.
I live in Korea at the moment. It's a big BIG issue for Koreans as Korea was essentially Japan's whipping boy for the past few centuries and were colonised for about 70 (until the end of WW2).

The Japanese government essentially denies that most of the rape, forced prostitution and mass murder committed before and during WW2 happened and is a conspiracy to damage Japan's reputation (or sometimes genuinely seem confused why Korea/China etc don't realise why it was necessary). There is a shrine for Japan's war dead which specifically includes all those convicted of war crimes. Japanese ministers continue to visit it and pay respects. The Chinese and Koreans take it as a personal insult each and every time.

Essentially imagine if Germany denied the holocaust, denied it had started WW2, denied the cultural and literal genocide of several peoples and instead claimed it was protecting Europe from Muslim imperialism (Apparently when Japan was invading South-East Asia, they were helping Asia to fight off Western Imperialism).
Then on top of that, the German prime minister and other senior ministers regularly visit shrines commemorating all the dead Germans (including Hitler, the SS and all the other war criminals).

Every few years, the Japanese government releases another education book that further plays down it's role in history. Though, to be fair, the Korean government also tries to do the same thing (the Korean government treated it's people as badly as the Japanese did after independence). And so do the Chinese.
Additionally, I've heard that Japanese compulsory education ends before Japanese imperialism started, and those who do choose to continue with history (a minority), get the heavily airbrushed version.
Post edited September 30, 2014 by MichaelFurlong
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Shadowstalker16: Somethings I really wanted to know:

1.What do Chinese people think of India?
I'm not Chinese but after living here for 7 years, I can give you some insight into this question.

Truth be told, Chinese don't usually mention India in any conversations I've had but when it happens, theres usually two incidences that bring it up. The first is China and India are emerging economic powers and there is competition on that front to see which country will come out ahead. Not just in terms of economy but also societial aspects of the country as well. The other aspect and to put it bluntly, understanding what they are saying is diffifcult because their their strong accents. Other than those, India never gets mentioned.

Thing is with people, we tend to simply things to makes things easier for us to comprehend. Chinese do this to a fault. In their eyes, there are only two types of people, Chinese and non-Chinese. In a management class, I took here, the teachers powerpoint presentation had this logic. "Chinese talk this way, foriegners talk that way. Chinese do this, foriegners do that. Chinese are traditional (also total BS but they like to think this anyway), foriegners are more open". Anyone who can use their head can see the problem here. For the 7 years I've been in China, I've seen people talk like this countless times in different settings. Sometimes I can't follow what a person is saying because they are thinking in terms that are too simplistic to be feasable. For example, one time I was asked "where in the UK is a good place to work?" Well, what exactly is a good place to work? If you are talking about high salary, how am I supposed to know, different places have different policies on wages and an applicants education and job experience will also be a factor. Asking a question like this is like asking how long a piece of rope is.

With this in mind, it doesn't matter where you are from, if a Chinese sees that you are a non-Chinese, the first thing they will think is you are from America until you say otherwise. Japanese and Koreans certainly don't get this treatment but I'm not sure if Indians do. The only experience I have to back this up is while I was in Korea, I met an Indian guy there who was constantly being mistaken for an American and he was getting a little tired of it. The same thing happens in China. However, once it's established that you are not American, they will fall back on their overly simplistic notions on what a person from that country should be like. French are all romantic, British are all gentlemenly, Americans all have guns etc etc. For Indians though, the only ideas I've heard were the two I mentioned above.

I hope that bit of insight helps
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Shadowstalker16: Somethings I really wanted to know:

1.What do Chinese people think of India?
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IwubCheeze: I'm not Chinese but after living here for 7 years, I can give you some insight into this question.

Truth be told, Chinese don't usually mention India in any conversations I've had but when it happens, theres usually two incidences that bring it up. The first is China and India are emerging economic powers and there is competition on that front to see which country will come out ahead. Not just in terms of economy but also societial aspects of the country as well. The other aspect and to put it bluntly, understanding what they are saying is diffifcult because their their strong accents. Other than those, India never gets mentioned.

Thing is with people, we tend to simply things to makes things easier for us to comprehend. Chinese do this to a fault. In their eyes, there are only two types of people, Chinese and non-Chinese. In a management class, I took here, the teachers powerpoint presentation had this logic. "Chinese talk this way, foriegners talk that way. Chinese do this, foriegners do that. Chinese are traditional (also total BS but they like to think this anyway), foriegners are more open". Anyone who can use their head can see the problem here. For the 7 years I've been in China, I've seen people talk like this countless times in different settings. Sometimes I can't follow what a person is saying because they are thinking in terms that are too simplistic to be feasable. For example, one time I was asked "where in the UK is a good place to work?" Well, what exactly is a good place to work? If you are talking about high salary, how am I supposed to know, different places have different policies on wages and an applicants education and job experience will also be a factor. Asking a question like this is like asking how long a piece of rope is.

With this in mind, it doesn't matter where you are from, if a Chinese sees that you are a non-Chinese, the first thing they will think is you are from America until you say otherwise. Japanese and Koreans certainly don't get this treatment but I'm not sure if Indians do. The only experience I have to back this up is while I was in Korea, I met an Indian guy there who was constantly being mistaken for an American and he was getting a little tired of it. The same thing happens in China. However, once it's established that you are not American, they will fall back on their overly simplistic notions on what a person from that country should be like. French are all romantic, British are all gentlemenly, Americans all have guns etc etc. For Indians though, the only ideas I've heard were the two I mentioned above.

I hope that bit of insight helps
Very interesting insight! Thanks for sharing. In India, most stuff people say on the China is about either communism or border disputes. Seems both sides don't seem to care for eachothers cultures and traditions, both of which are very rich.
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IwubCheeze: I'm not Chinese but after living here for 7 years, I can give you some insight into this question.

Truth be told, Chinese don't usually mention India in any conversations I've had but when it happens, theres usually two incidences that bring it up. The first is China and India are emerging economic powers and there is competition on that front to see which country will come out ahead. Not just in terms of economy but also societial aspects of the country as well. The other aspect and to put it bluntly, understanding what they are saying is diffifcult because their their strong accents. Other than those, India never gets mentioned.

Thing is with people, we tend to simply things to makes things easier for us to comprehend. Chinese do this to a fault. In their eyes, there are only two types of people, Chinese and non-Chinese. In a management class, I took here, the teachers powerpoint presentation had this logic. "Chinese talk this way, foriegners talk that way. Chinese do this, foriegners do that. Chinese are traditional (also total BS but they like to think this anyway), foriegners are more open". Anyone who can use their head can see the problem here. For the 7 years I've been in China, I've seen people talk like this countless times in different settings. Sometimes I can't follow what a person is saying because they are thinking in terms that are too simplistic to be feasable. For example, one time I was asked "where in the UK is a good place to work?" Well, what exactly is a good place to work? If you are talking about high salary, how am I supposed to know, different places have different policies on wages and an applicants education and job experience will also be a factor. Asking a question like this is like asking how long a piece of rope is.

With this in mind, it doesn't matter where you are from, if a Chinese sees that you are a non-Chinese, the first thing they will think is you are from America until you say otherwise. Japanese and Koreans certainly don't get this treatment but I'm not sure if Indians do. The only experience I have to back this up is while I was in Korea, I met an Indian guy there who was constantly being mistaken for an American and he was getting a little tired of it. The same thing happens in China. However, once it's established that you are not American, they will fall back on their overly simplistic notions on what a person from that country should be like. French are all romantic, British are all gentlemenly, Americans all have guns etc etc. For Indians though, the only ideas I've heard were the two I mentioned above.

I hope that bit of insight helps
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Shadowstalker16: Very interesting insight! Thanks for sharing. In India, most stuff people say on the China is about either communism or border disputes. Seems both sides don't seem to care for eachothers cultures and traditions, both of which are very rich.
I also live and work in China, I been coming here since 2008 but I been living continually for 2 years, I agree with the most part of the things he said, but I need to add something.

Please dont take it offensively :) , among girls here in Shanghai, (I been living in SH most part of the time, even if now I work and live in Beijing, I can mostly talk about "shanghainese") Chna is a BIG country and you can find really big even ifthey look subtle are big, differences between people behaviour in different cities... so to the point, Shanghai girls have a very bad image about indian guys, almost every one of my friends talk bad about them. I dont know if it is something related with the skin colour, chinese prefer white people and skins, they are kinda racist (not all) for this. But also because girls here dated some indian guys (there are many in SH) and they said that, usually all not only indian, foreigns are really poor commited or loyal, but they say indian guys are the worst of all them.

Just my two cents :) no offense, is just what I heard, I think will be true or not depending on the guy.
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Shadowstalker16: Very interesting insight! Thanks for sharing. In India, most stuff people say on the China is about either communism or border disputes. Seems both sides don't seem to care for eachothers cultures and traditions, both of which are very rich.
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YaTEdiGo: I also live and work in China, I been coming here since 2008 but I been living continually for 2 years, I agree with the most part of the things he said, but I need to add something.

Please dont take it offensively :) , among girls here in Shanghai, (I been living in SH most part of the time, even if now I work and live in Beijing, I can mostly talk about "shanghainese") Chna is a BIG country and you can find really big even ifthey look subtle are big, differences between people behaviour in different cities... so to the point, Shanghai girls have a very bad image about indian guys, almost every one of my friends talk bad about them. I dont know if it is something related with the skin colour, chinese prefer white people and skins, they are kinda racist (not all) for this. But also because girls here dated some indian guys (there are many in SH) and they said that, usually all not only indian, foreigns are really poor commited or loyal, but they say indian guys are the worst of all them.

Just my two cents :) no offense, is just what I heard, I think will be true or not depending on the guy.
Its actually common to all Asian peoples, I think. Indians have that too (well, guys do as far as I know, girls may or may not be). Basically, whiter is seen as better. Fortunately for me, I'm fairly light skinned, so I have at least that covered XD. But again, thanks for the insight! Do Beijing citizens have the same opinion?XD
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YaTEdiGo: I also live and work in China, I been coming here since 2008 but I been living continually for 2 years, I agree with the most part of the things he said, but I need to add something.

Please dont take it offensively :) , among girls here in Shanghai, (I been living in SH most part of the time, even if now I work and live in Beijing, I can mostly talk about "shanghainese") Chna is a BIG country and you can find really big even ifthey look subtle are big, differences between people behaviour in different cities... so to the point, Shanghai girls have a very bad image about indian guys, almost every one of my friends talk bad about them. I dont know if it is something related with the skin colour, chinese prefer white people and skins, they are kinda racist (not all) for this. But also because girls here dated some indian guys (there are many in SH) and they said that, usually all not only indian, foreigns are really poor commited or loyal, but they say indian guys are the worst of all them.

Just my two cents :) no offense, is just what I heard, I think will be true or not depending on the guy.
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Shadowstalker16: Its actually common to all Asian peoples, I think. Indians have that too (well, guys do as far as I know, girls may or may not be). Basically, whiter is seen as better. Fortunately for me, I'm fairly light skinned, so I have at least that covered XD. But again, thanks for the insight! Do Beijing citizens have the same opinion?XD
Still didnt lived time enough in BJ to have a solid opinion, actually I AM IN LOVE with Shanghai, Beijing gave me a better job, and better oportunity for my career, but if I could have the same job in SH... I would dont hesitate to be back there as fast as possible... but I also feel commited to my actual company... so I cannot do it...

It is ... life... :S
Post edited October 27, 2014 by YaTEdiGo
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GoodGuyA: A general questions, perhaps suited a bit to it's own forum, but I thought I'd give it a crack here.

Non-Americans, what's the first computer you came into contact with (not strictly owned)?
The first computer I encountered was a Mattel Intellivision. I don't remember when we got it - it was probably soon after I was born.

In about 1988 or '89 my cousin got himself a PC and passed his old Spectravideo SV-18 down to our family. That was an interesting experience - you got a keyboard which you plug into your TV, and then plug a tape deck into the keyboard. You boot the computer into an interactive BASIC interpreter. To play a game you put a tape into the tape deck, rewind it, type "load" and press play. Then you wait for the game to be loaded from the tape and type "play" to start.

In my second year of school, 1990, my brother and I saved up enough to buy something labelled "Family Computer", which may or may not have been made by Nintendo. (I don't have it anymore so I can't verify if it was genuine - "generic" Nintendo-compatible console were typical in SA, but they generally had their own branding and weren't outright imitations. Every one I've seen since then was labelled "Ending Man", "Golden China", "Reggies", "Toys-R-Us", etc. so I have my doubts that Nintendo ever actually sold Famicoms here)

My father bought a second-hand PC-compatible computer later that year (the word "PC" still had some lingering IBM-specificity back then). It was a 286, I think - might have been a 386. In 1993 we got to a 486, and moved with the times from there.
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Darvond: Opinions may be seen as such, but I do feel the USA has invented a fair share of foods.
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Leroux: I think most of the times it's easier to describe a specific regional cuisine than the cuisine of a whole nation which can be extremely varying across the whole country. Are you thinking about the sum of all the regional dishes in the US or about what most people abroad would associate with "American" food in general (which is most likely fast food like hamburgers and hot dogs or other stereotypes)?

Since we get a lot of cultural influences from the US but I've never actually been there myself, I'd have to think hard what food I know that is considered to be truly US American in origin. (I liked the Pumpkin Pie I once made after a recipe, but I don't know how true it was to the original.)

Personally, I care more for specific dishes than the arbitrary sum of them that is described as a country's cuisine. I bet you could find something delicious and something repulsive or bland in every nation's "cuisine". ;)
U.S.A is considered melting pot for a reason central to mountains we have a lot of Spanish foods even down south, the Californian and Chicago has china town while smaller cities also have Chinese foods, then we have Korean places

i think in term of american food would be actually the burger and not including fast food joints. but there are small places that make there own original food usually it's either ma or pa restraint or a small chain

as for drinks https://www.coca-colafreestyle.com/ a machine that has 100 built in drinks choices as well you can make your own mix and match flavors but i prefer pepsi.

also america is big from San Franciso California to New York it's about 2,573 milies / 4140.842 Kilometer it's not as big as Russia or Africa but Europe can fit into America
actually there is a wikipedia list :P https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_foods
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my adive and finale say hamburger and hotdog is american but get a Chicago style hotdog, it's really good
Yellow Mustard
Bright "Neon" Green Relish
Fresh Chopped Onions
Two Tomato Wedges
A Pickle Spear or Slice
Two Sport Peppers
A Dash of Celery Salt
steamed poppy seed bun
http://www.hotdogchicagostyle.com/chicagodog.php
also somethings that good is green river which was made during the Prohibition when alcoholic beverages was banned, it's a none alcoholic drink but it does have a slight kick to it.
Post edited October 10, 2018 by KnightW0lf
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Leroux: I think most of the times it's easier to describe a specific regional cuisine than the cuisine of a whole nation which can be extremely varying across the whole country.
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timppu: That's a good point. "America" (I guess "USA") is a big country size of Europe, so do Europeans ask other people "what do you think of European cuisine?", not specifying whether they are talking about French, Italian, Spanish, Swedish (surströmming) or Finnish cuisine (black blood sausage + mämmi)? I presume there are similar differences between different regions of US, e.g. where TinyE is from, they eat black blood sausage and mämmi every morning. And evening. And sometimes for the dinner and lunch too.
I always thought that when people ask about some country's food, they mean some signature cuisine that the country is well known for. Like hamburgers and hot dogs for US, borsch for Russia or noodles for China. That doesn't necessarily implies, that this country invented that cuisine or that there are no other local dishes. Like French pasta is very similar to China noodles, but both are known have their own cultural significance.
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LootHunter: I always thought that when people ask about some country's food, they mean some signature cuisine that the country is well known for. Like hamburgers and hot dogs for US, borsch for Russia or noodles for China. That doesn't necessarily implies, that this country invented that cuisine or that there are no other local dishes. Like French pasta is very similar to China noodles, but both are known have their own cultural significance.
Possibly so, but my point was that talking about a "signature cuisine" of US may be just as hard as describing a "signature cuisine" of Europe, as US if quite big country with different cultures. I don't think e.g. French or Spanish recognize mämmi or Karelian pies (from Finland), let alone consider them as European "signature cuisines".

Sometimes it may be hard within one (European) country as well. Like an ex-colleague of mine (who was in fact from Denmark) once asked somewhere in France, possibly in Paris, one hotel butler whether he knows where there is a good fish restaurant, he said:

"Sure! In Marseille. Hue hue hue hue hue!" (that's how French people laugh)

Damn Frenchies with their sarcastic sense of humor! No wonder they almost lost WWII! Almost!

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Leroux: Edit: I see "Jauheliha" means ground meat, so I guess it's a very specific type of pizza, while frozen pizza can contain all kinds of ingredients (meat, fish, vegetarian).
No they are not frozen, you just cut one end open from the plastic and put it into microwave for a couple of minutes, and eat. It is very basic, like minced meat (both pork and beef, like we Finns tend to like our minced meat), ketchup and cheese. Maybe it has some other ingredients too, but not much.

Every Finn have eaten one (or many) of those at one point of their lives, especially when they were students. It is almost impossible to avoid them.

Yeah we have those frozen pizzas too (from Dr Ötker, Grandiosa etc.), but they are like deluxe pizzas compared to those mudflaps. They are like what you eat on Sundays or other special occasions.
Post edited October 11, 2018 by timppu