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UnrelatedComa: wow, Requiem Avenging Angel is a game i havent thought about in a LONG time... hope it comes back.
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karnak1: I can hardly see how GOG can have any sort of leverage at the bargaining table. The majority of the gaming crowd has no problem in buying in DRM stores. As long as people keep buying all games on steam GOG will only mean "cheap change" for the publishers.
I mean: people are even getting into game-streaming services, FFS !! There can be no more DRM than that.
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GameRager: GOG is still one more place for them to sell/make money, and I meant more for middling to smaller devs and ip holders where they can exact more leverage.

(Also an aside: Nice to see you posting once more...I missed our chats and seeing your posts/insight on things :))
You're right on saying that GOG is a good storefront for new and smaller devs. And that's why we keep getting new games here, from new players on the field.

But at the same time, there are always greedy and stupid people. Even among small indie studios. And a couple of years ago I was amazed at how many of these devs/publishers seem hostile to DRM-free gaming.
To me that's fine! If someone doesn't sell on GOG, then they sure won't see my money. It'll go to folks who support the GOG store instead.
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karnak1: You're right on saying that GOG is a good storefront for new and smaller devs. And that's why we keep getting new games here, from new players on the field.
Yup...and that(imo) is almost always a good thing.

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karnak1: But at the same time, there are always greedy and stupid people. Even among small indie studios. And a couple of years ago I was amazed at how many of these devs/publishers seem hostile to DRM-free gaming.
I think it's more the larger user base and more potential profit that can be had there, at least for a good number of them that go the steam/etc only route.

(Of course for some who like control being able to add DRM into their games is also a factor)

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karnak1: To me that's fine! If someone doesn't sell on GOG, then they sure won't see my money. It'll go to folks who support the GOG store instead.
Imo that's not a good thing to do, at least by itself....if someone doesn't buy the dev/pub doesn't know that person didn't buy or why....it's usually good to ALSO let said devs/pubs know why one made such choices(via email/social media/etc) and how readily one would buy their products if they were sold DRM free. :)
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karnak1: You're right on saying that GOG is a good storefront for new and smaller devs. And that's why we keep getting new games here, from new players on the field.
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GameRager: Yup...and that(imo) is almost always a good thing.

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karnak1: But at the same time, there are always greedy and stupid people. Even among small indie studios. And a couple of years ago I was amazed at how many of these devs/publishers seem hostile to DRM-free gaming.
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GameRager: I think it's more the larger user base and more potential profit that can be had there, at least for a good number of them that go the steam/etc only route.

(Of course for some who like control being able to add DRM into their games is also a factor)

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karnak1: To me that's fine! If someone doesn't sell on GOG, then they sure won't see my money. It'll go to folks who support the GOG store instead.
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GameRager: Imo that's not a good thing to do, at least by itself....if someone doesn't buy the dev/pub doesn't know that person didn't buy or why....it's usually good to ALSO let said devs/pubs know why one made such choices(via email/social media/etc) and how readily one would buy their products if they were sold DRM free. :)
I agree with you on most issues. Except for the "being vocal to devs/pubs about not buying outside of GOG" part.
GOG is a known and solid name since at least the Witcher 3 release (when CDP and its store earned worldwide rep).

10 years have passed since I first created a GOG account and my opinion remains the same since my first years on GOG:
Devs and publishers don't want to sell here because they clearly pro-DRM. The fact that pubs stubbornly continue to enforce Denuvo even though it's long been proven it's not unbreakable is a proof of that. I can't understand why but I assume "natural born stupidity" has a lot to do with it, and not only greed. Almost like some sort of religious or sports fanaticism.

Late last year I contacted "Endnight Games" to see if there was any chance they could release "The Forest" on GOG. I never got a response. To me that's being insulting.
Even if their game was being sold DRM-free on any other store (like itch.io) I wouldn't buy it there.
If they decided to sell it here, then I'd consider giving them a "second chance" and support them.
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karnak1: I agree with you on most issues. Except for the "being vocal to devs/pubs about not buying outside of GOG" part.

10 years have passed since I first created a GOG account and my opinion remains the same since my first years on GOG:
Devs and publishers don't want to sell here because they clearly pro-DRM. The fact that pubs stubbornly continue to enforce Denuvo even though it's long been proven it's not unbreakable is a proof of that. I can't understand why but I assume "natural born stupidity" has a lot to do with it, and not only greed. Almost like some sort of religious or sports fanaticism.
Imo it'd work if more joined in as well...but sadly most(including me sometimes) have very weak resolve. :|

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karnak1: Late last year I contacted "Endnight Games" to see if there was any chance they could release "The Forest" on GOG. I never got a response. To me that's being insulting.
Even if their game was being sold DRM-free on any other store (like itch.io) I wouldn't buy it there.
If they decided to sell it here, then I'd consider giving them a "second chance" and support them.
Question: If DRM free is your sticking point why would it matter which DRM free store sold it?

(Just curious)
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karnak1: Late last year I contacted "Endnight Games" to see if there was any chance they could release "The Forest" on GOG. I never got a response. To me that's being insulting.
Even if their game was being sold DRM-free on any other store (like itch.io) I wouldn't buy it there.
If they decided to sell it here, then I'd consider giving them a "second chance" and support them.
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GameRager: Question: If DRM free is your sticking point why would it matter which DRM free store sold it?

(Just curious)
Basically just plain pettiness. I don't like when a company (related to gaming or otherwise) just plain ignores its potential customers or doesn't reply to serious questions of any kind. I was annoyed by their attitude. The GOG issue is that this store has a "special place in my heart" somewhat.

When 95% of retail PC gaming started to always carry the "steamworks" logo I stopped buying games altogether and only played pirated games. It was GOG store which made me stop my pirating days and make me buy games again. I've since bought here on GOG all the available games which I had once pirated.

To tell the truth, my backlog is so big that I suspect I have enough games to last the remainder of my life (be it short or long). So I only really buy games in order to support GOG.
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karnak1: Basically just plain pettiness. I don't like when a company (related to gaming or otherwise) just plain ignores its potential customers or doesn't reply to serious questions of any kind. I was annoyed by their attitude. The GOG issue is that this store has a "special place in my heart" somewhat.
Sounds fair.

Me? I just buy from anyone that doesn't do anything truly bad(like give money to drug dealers/etc level bad), as mostly I see companies just a place to get a product/service and less as friends.

(And while I love GOG more than most, that stance includes GOG as well...especially as they have seemingly dropped various pillars of their founding principles to get more partners on-board and to sell more games, and as they put more rules in place on the forums that match the default PC forum/lazy modding template[i.e. the blanket rules and "hate speech" rules]. I still like them, but it's obvious they want to make money just like any other company)

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karnak1: When 95% of retail PC gaming started to always carry the "steamworks" logo I stopped buying games altogether and only played pirated games. It was GOG store which made me stop my pirating days and make me buy games again. I've since bought here on GOG all the available games which I had once pirated.
Barring the steam thing, I also did almost the same....stopped pirating for the most part of any game sold by GOG/etc.....yes, sometimes I "cheat" and still go that route, but NEVER with GOG's game copies.

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karnak1: To tell the truth, my backlog is so big that I suspect I have enough games to last the remainder of my life (be it short or long). So I only really buy games in order to support GOG.
I also wonder if i'll ever make a dent....some games have multiple ways to play them now(RPGs, for one), and some are hard to finish certain parts....although I HAVE finished a few older games form my past recently, which was nice to finally do. :)
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karnak1: To tell the truth, my backlog is so big that I suspect I have enough games to last the remainder of my life (be it short or long). So I only really buy games in order to support GOG.
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GameRager: I also wonder if i'll ever make a dent....some games have multiple ways to play them now(RPGs, for one), and some are hard to finish certain parts....although I HAVE finished a few older games form my past recently, which was nice to finally do. :)
Also don't forget about the highly degree of replayability of certain games, like the Civilization series.
In fact - if I was forced to go to a desert island and could only take a single game with me - I'd imediately go for any of the "Civs".
It could even be the first one. In fact I'm sad that we're missing Civ1 and 2 here :(
The first game, despite its simple VGA graphics still retains a certain special charm that the others have lacked since then (like the detail of Sid Meier himself showing the tech advances).
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karnak1: Also don't forget about the highly degree of replayability of certain games, like the Civilization series.
In fact - if I was forced to go to a desert island and could only take a single game with me - I'd imediately go for any of the "Civs".
It could even be the first one. In fact I'm sad that we're missing Civ1 and 2 here :(
The first game, despite its simple VGA graphics still retains a certain special charm that the others have lacked since then (like the detail of Sid Meier himself showing the tech advances).
Sounds nice.

Me? I'm at that age where I play more games with a few ways to play through to save time, or if I play such games I play them through once and move one for a bit to other games....so many and so little time.....
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GameRager: Me? I'm at that age where I play more games with a few ways to play through to save time, or if I play such games I play them through once and move one for a bit to other games....so many and so little time.....
Same. Too many NO DAMN TIME!
LOL, what are the chances. I was just going through the September 1994 issue of Game Developer, they have a feature on Cyclone Studios. Then I remembered playing Requiem back in the days. Hopefully it will come back to GoG and Steam.