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General discussionRemoved from catalog: Fallout 1, 2, & Tactics(1041 posts)(1041 posts)
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Posted December 31, 2013
Today, we bid farewell to the legendary post-apocalyptic 2D classics.

Due to circumstances beyond our control, we needed to pull the three classic Fallout games, that is Fallout, Fallout 2, and Fallout Tactics, from sale and remove them from our DRM-free catalog. These classic titles have been with us since day one, that is for over 5 years now, and they were always one of the highlights of the selection of games that we offer. There are very few titles in the history of computer role-playing games, that have had so much impact on the gaming landscape, players' expectations, and even the popular culture. The iconic setting, the memorable quotes, and unparalleled amount of fun and challenge these games provide--it's all burned in the memory of a whole generation of gamers. Probably even more than just one generation. It was an honor to have you here, Fallout. Take good care of yourself out there, try not to mistake a gecko for G.E.C.K. (not even remotely the same thing!), and remember to take your Rad-X pills!

<img src="http://www.gog.com/upload/images/2013/12/0100650e79ca7799caa0064b2e2611a62396ed6f.png">

All those who acquired Fallout, Fallout 2, or Fallout Tactics on GOG.com prior to the date of removal (that is before Tuesday, December 31st 2013, at 3:59PM GMT), will still be able to download the games' install files (as well as the bonus content) via the "My Games" section of their user accounts. Gift-codes for these three games acquired in our recent giveaway are no longer valid. However, if you own a gift-code for any or all of them that was purchased outside of the said giveaway, you'll still be able to redeem it in the foreseeable future.

We sincerely apologize for all the inconvenience this situation may have caused you. We invite you to browse through 671 other fantastic titles offered in our DRM-free catalog of the best games in history, and we wish you a Happy New Year of gaming!
Posted January 14, 2014
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filipinowhiteboy: I dunno who to blame. Either Valve (Steam) or Bethesda. Chances are, probably, both
Neither Valve nor Bethesda have anything to do with the delisting. Interplay no longer has the rights to sell Fallout, so GOG has to remove those games from sale. Same thing with Telltale and Wallace and Gromit. Telltale no longer has the rights to sell the game, so GOG has to remove it from sale. And Fallout has also been removed from Steam as well, since even though the pages are there, you can't buy the games anymore.
Posted January 14, 2014
Oh.....well then I'm an Idiot. Wow than I am REALLY lucky that I picked up these games......what's gonna happen to them now?
Posted January 14, 2014
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filipinowhiteboy: I dunno who to blame. Either Valve (Steam) or Bethesda. Chances are, probably, both
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JMich: Neither Valve nor Bethesda have anything to do with the delisting. Interplay no longer has the rights to sell Fallout, so GOG has to remove those games from sale. Same thing with Telltale and Wallace and Gromit. Telltale no longer has the rights to sell the game, so GOG has to remove it from sale. And Fallout has also been removed from Steam as well, since even though the pages are there, you can't buy the games anymore.
If Bethesda had signed a contract with GOG they wouldn't have to remove the games. It was very much in the power of Bethesda to keep the games up but they chose not too. They could have made the necessary changes regarding both the removal/editing of legal text etc to the games AND signed a GOG contract ahead of time. Instead they chose to delay any such action until everyone was forced to take the games and then for the time being only address the Steam related issues. Compare this to all the Atari games that transferred over to Tommo and other parties all without a hitch. GOG was able to sell those games continuously without any interruption. Yet those were sudden changes in ownership while this has been known about for quite some time ahead of the actual ownership/publisher change.
Posted January 14, 2014
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Kristian: If Bethesda had signed a contract with GOG they wouldn't have to remove the games.
Why haven't you yet complained to Aardman Animations for forcing GOG to remove Wallace & Gromit, or to Huki and Jigebren for forcing GOG to remove Re-Volt? Current (up to removal) publishers lost (or never had) the right to the game, so the change of IP ownership caused GOG to remove said games.

So no, blaming Bethesda for not having signed a contract is like saying that it's Emma Watson's fault that she hasn't replaced my previous girlfriend yet. Previous contract expired, new one hasn't been signed. Emma's fault for it, right?
Posted January 14, 2014
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Kristian: If Bethesda had signed a contract with GOG they wouldn't have to remove the games. It was very much in the power of Bethesda to keep the games up but they chose not too. They could have made the necessary changes regarding both the removal/editing of legal text etc to the games AND signed a GOG contract ahead of time. Instead they chose to delay any such action until everyone was forced to take the games and then for the time being only address the Steam related issues. Compare this to all the Atari games that transferred over to Tommo and other parties all without a hitch. GOG was able to sell those games continuously without any interruption. Yet those were sudden changes in ownership while this has been known about for quite some time ahead of the actual ownership/publisher change.
You are, of course, aware that Steam also stopped selling these games, and that they're still not selling them - right?

If it was just a matter of having a pre-existing deal with Bethesda, Steam would already have the games back - they've changed the publisher, so it's clearly on the way, but like I said, they're not selling them yet.

Yes, Bethesda should have been more on top of this to begin with, but it's clearly not as simple as you seem to believe.
Posted January 14, 2014
I just want to say I'm realy sad about this retreat with the fallout games. Glad I bought the 3 games pack back when they were available.

Sad day for GoG :(
Posted January 14, 2014
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Kristian: If Bethesda had signed a contract with GOG they wouldn't have to remove the games. It was very much in the power of Bethesda to keep the games up but they chose not too. They could have made the necessary changes regarding both the removal/editing of legal text etc to the games AND signed a GOG contract ahead of time. Instead they chose to delay any such action until everyone was forced to take the games and then for the time being only address the Steam related issues. Compare this to all the Atari games that transferred over to Tommo and other parties all without a hitch. GOG was able to sell those games continuously without any interruption. Yet those were sudden changes in ownership while this has been known about for quite some time ahead of the actual ownership/publisher change.
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Pidgeot: You are, of course, aware that Steam also stopped selling these games, and that they're still not selling them - right?

If it was just a matter of having a pre-existing deal with Bethesda, Steam would already have the games back - they've changed the publisher, so it's clearly on the way, but like I said, they're not selling them yet.

Yes, Bethesda should have been more on top of this to begin with, but it's clearly not as simple as you seem to believe.
We may even be surprised and have the trilogy come back here at a later time. I don't know what the probability is, but it may happen.

Jumping down Bethesda's throat seems premature to me. It's been removed everywhere, I assume, not just GOG.
These things happen in the industry fairly often, it seems. Sometimes the transition is smooth, sometimes there's delays, and sometimes the game is removed from digital distribution altogether.
Posted January 14, 2014
So its been more than 2 weeks since the games have been removed everywhere. Does it take weeks for legals to change over ownership of an IP property and to write new contracts?.
Posted January 14, 2014
This is off topic, but since we're talking about rights and all. What's the deal with the original Prey game, anyone? Who has the rights to it, is it Bethesda? You can't get it anywhere digitally.
Post edited January 14, 2014 by JohnnyDollar
Posted January 15, 2014
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Niggles: So its been more than 2 weeks since the games have been removed everywhere. Does it take weeks for legals to change over ownership of an IP property and to write new contracts?.
Pretty sure it does. I mean, I don't know about this sort of thing specifically, but legal stuff almost always moves slowly.
Posted January 15, 2014
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JohnnyDollar: This is off topic, but since we're talking about rights and all. What's the deal with the original Prey game, anyone? Who has the rights to it, is it Bethesda? You can't get it anywhere digitally.
It is owned by Zenimax. And it's pretty odd that there is no digital version of it. A physical version is available dirt cheap from Amazon.co.uk, though.
Posted January 15, 2014
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JohnnyDollar: This is off topic, but since we're talking about rights and all. What's the deal with the original Prey game, anyone? Who has the rights to it, is it Bethesda? You can't get it anywhere digitally.
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Grargar: It is owned by Zenimax. And it's pretty odd that there is no digital version of it. A physical version is available dirt cheap from Amazon.co.uk, though.
Thanks, I thought it was them. I usually just refer to either or as Bethesda. Yeah it's on my list of possible games to get the next time I order something from Amazon.

Maybe part of the original content was licensed and they would have to pay royalties? Just a guess. I'm thinking that I read someone claim that about Hitman Contracts as the reason you can't get it digitally. Don't know if it's true. It was something about the music I think.
Post edited January 15, 2014 by JohnnyDollar
Posted January 15, 2014
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JMich: Neither Valve nor Bethesda have anything to do with the delisting. Interplay no longer has the rights to sell Fallout, so GOG has to remove those games from sale. Same thing with Telltale and Wallace and Gromit. Telltale no longer has the rights to sell the game, so GOG has to remove it from sale. And Fallout has also been removed from Steam as well, since even though the pages are there, you can't buy the games anymore.
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Kristian: If Bethesda had signed a contract with GOG they wouldn't have to remove the games. It was very much in the power of Bethesda to keep the games up but they chose not too. They could have made the necessary changes regarding both the removal/editing of legal text etc to the games AND signed a GOG contract ahead of time. Instead they chose to delay any such action until everyone was forced to take the games and then for the time being only address the Steam related issues. Compare this to all the Atari games that transferred over to Tommo and other parties all without a hitch. GOG was able to sell those games continuously without any interruption. Yet those were sudden changes in ownership while this has been known about for quite some time ahead of the actual ownership/publisher change.
Not really a fair comparison, since Tommo already had a business relationship with GoG so the transition was seamless. Bethesda hasn't now or ever had a business relationship with GoG and there is nothing they 'owe' to GoG to have them here. They are addressing the Steam issue first because, surprise surprise, that's where a good chunk of their revenue probably comes from.
Posted January 15, 2014
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JohnnyDollar: This is off topic, but since we're talking about rights and all. What's the deal with the original Prey game, anyone? Who has the rights to it, is it Bethesda? You can't get it anywhere digitally.
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Grargar: It is owned by Zenimax. And it's pretty odd that there is no digital version of it. A physical version is available dirt cheap from Amazon.co.uk, though.
It was on Steam but was pulled. Retail keys (from physical copies) can still be registered on Steam though.
Posted January 15, 2014
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innerring: It was on Steam but was pulled. Retail keys (from physical copies) can still be registered on Steam though.
I was aware of that, but it's been over 4 years since its removal. What makes this interesting, is that the rights to the game were purchased by Zenimax mere months before its removal.
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