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Today, we bid farewell to the legendary post-apocalyptic 2D classics.

Due to circumstances beyond our control, we needed to pull the three classic Fallout games, that is Fallout, Fallout 2, and Fallout Tactics, from sale and remove them from our DRM-free catalog. These classic titles have been with us since day one, that is for over 5 years now, and they were always one of the highlights of the selection of games that we offer. There are very few titles in the history of computer role-playing games, that have had so much impact on the gaming landscape, players' expectations, and even the popular culture. The iconic setting, the memorable quotes, and unparalleled amount of fun and challenge these games provide--it's all burned in the memory of a whole generation of gamers. Probably even more than just one generation. It was an honor to have you here, Fallout. Take good care of yourself out there, try not to mistake a gecko for G.E.C.K. (not even remotely the same thing!), and remember to take your Rad-X pills!

<img src="http://www.gog.com/upload/images/2013/12/0100650e79ca7799caa0064b2e2611a62396ed6f.png">

All those who acquired Fallout, Fallout 2, or Fallout Tactics on GOG.com prior to the date of removal (that is before Tuesday, December 31st 2013, at 3:59PM GMT), will still be able to download the games' install files (as well as the bonus content) via the "My Games" section of their user accounts. Gift-codes for these three games acquired in our recent giveaway are no longer valid. However, if you own a gift-code for any or all of them that was purchased outside of the said giveaway, you'll still be able to redeem it in the foreseeable future.

We sincerely apologize for all the inconvenience this situation may have caused you. We invite you to browse through 671 other fantastic titles offered in our DRM-free catalog of the best games in history, and we wish you a Happy New Year of gaming!
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SciFiCat: Well, looky here, another reason for me to despise Bethesda to the bone.
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zerodin: Angst at Bethesda over this is ridiculous.
The games are still available to those who already bought them, or took advantage of the promo. No one was cheated out of their money, and the games are still available for purchase on other online services, so its not like you can't buy them. Its your problem if you don't like using those services, not Bethesda's or GOG's. Tantrums aren't gonna magically restore GOG's ability to distribute them.
I said "another" reason, as in, I dislike Bethesda for reasons before and beyond the removal of GOG. I already own all the Fallout games GOG had in its catalog so it is no lost for me but it is a lost to the rest of GOG users that never got around to get them DRM free and now have to resort to other services that do use DRM.

As for other online "services" you mean Steam right? That is "service" in singular not plural because Steam is the ONLY online retailer, as of right now, that sells the original Fallout titles, I already checked GameFly Digital, Origin and Green Man Gaming and none have them in their catalogs. Furthermore the GOG versions of the Fallout games are custom optimized to run in modern Windows OS, the Steam version is the original non optimized code so there is no real guaranty it will run on you modern system, there isn't a 30 day money back policy as in GOG either.

GOG started life not as a simple storefront of older games "as is", it took the measures to go over the code of each game and retooled these to work on modern systems. Steam, as good as it is, does no do that. Either the original developer or publisher has to provide an optimized version of an older game to upload or just offer the original old game with no changes, if the costumer can't get the game to run, well "though luck", so there are distinct advantages to purchasing the GOG version, that is a fact, not a simple trade off.

My comment had no relevance to whether or not the game is available for purchase elsewhere or not, it expressed the personal FACT that I dislike Bethesda business policies of their recent history.

As for "tantrums" not solving anything, look up "Xbox One Eighty" , you might be surprised at what a lot of pissed off costumers can achieve.
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triock: No, it's GFWL built-in feature, something like Steam off-line mode.
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pds41: Except it actually works!
Ugh not entirely, and given GFWL is shutting down this year still it's left a lot of us in difficult positions with games we own that require connecting to play. And it's connection is incredibly touchy, I rate it as worse than uplay for dropout rate.
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SciFiCat: As for "tantrums" not solving anything, look up "Xbox One Eighty" , you might be surprised at what a lot of pissed off costumers can achieve.
It will achieve something if the business thinks that it'll affect their bottom line, usually, or they'll pay the consequences for not changing. ;)

Consumers have all the power really, they just have to exercise it.

This may sound a little silly, but I've thought for a while now that what gamers need is an organization. Like a gamer's union or some such. Something that will unite a large portion of gamers together which will give them one voice when it comes to purchases that can send ripples through the industry.

We'll get a list together and start tallying up votes. We'll start blackballing some of the worst offenders!

:D
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JohnnyDollar: This may sound a little silly, but I've thought for a while now that what gamers need is an organization. Like a gamer's union or some such. Something that will unite a large portion of gamers together which will give them one voice when it comes to purchases that can send ripples through the industry.

We'll get a list together and start tallying up votes. We'll start blackballing some of the worst offenders!

:D
Sounds about as fun as herding cats.
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JohnnyDollar: This may sound a little silly, but I've thought for a while now that what gamers need is an organization. Like a gamer's union or some such. Something that will unite a large portion of gamers together which will give them one voice when it comes to purchases that can send ripples through the industry.

We'll get a list together and start tallying up votes. We'll start blackballing some of the worst offenders!

:D
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1322: Sounds about as fun as herding cats.
With diarrhea?

:P
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1322: Sounds about as fun as herding cats.
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JohnnyDollar: With diarrhea?

:P
Every single one of 'em! :D
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BillyMaysFan59: I've seen more idiots like this. One guy did a review for Heroes of Might and Magic 3 long ago, and was it to talk about the game? Nope. It was to complain about the GOG downloader application not working.
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JohnnyDollar: Don't even get me started with some of the reviews that I read around here. Most of the games are rated too high, for one thing. You need to automatically deduct at least 1 star whenever you look at a rating, that's if you even take that into account, which if you do, hopefully it's not the deciding factor.

Overrating is not as bad as the stupid stuff that some people post, though.

"I haven't played this yet, but it looks great" 5 stars
"GOG hasn't provided a Linux version" 1 star

The list goes on. A game rating here doesn't mean squat, but I guess you could say the same thing just about wherever you go.

People here were rating The Witcher II with 5 stars before the game was even released...
Yeah and some of us just really love particular games even if we note they have faults. HoMM 3 for instance is probably my favourite in the series despite its problems. And some will grant stars purely off the enjoyment/replay factor of the games they review.
I don't get why everyone's painting Bethesda as the devil. Yeah, this sucks, but this is probably just legal bullcrap. The same thing happened with DOOM on XBLA, which got pulled when Zenimax bought up Id and didn't come back until like a year after DOOM II came out on XBLA. There's probably wrangling over finances, Interplay branding, yada yada yada. More than likely, we'll see the game back sooner than later.
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RawSteelUT: I don't get why everyone's painting Bethesda as the devil. Yeah, this sucks, but this is probably just legal bullcrap. The same thing happened with DOOM on XBLA, which got pulled when Zenimax bought up Id and didn't come back until like a year after DOOM II came out on XBLA. There's probably wrangling over finances, Interplay branding, yada yada yada. More than likely, we'll see the game back sooner than later.
Bethesda is planning to return the games to Steam. No word on if they'll be returning the games to GOG.

http://www.polygon.com/2014/1/2/5267822/bethesda-bringing-fallout-games-back-to-steam

"Bethesda Softworks announced today via Twitter that it is working to bring back Fallout, Fallout 2 and Fallout Tactics to Steam after the games were removed from sale as a result of the franchise rights changing hands.

The Fallout games were originally developed and published by Interplay Entertainment before Bethesda acquired the IP in 2007. As part of the acquisition, Interplay was granted certain merchandising rights, which allowed it to sell the original Fallout games. A lawsuit between the two companies in 2012 ended this agreement, which led to those merchandising rights expiring on Dec. 31, 2013.

The expiration of rights meant digital retailers like Steam and GOG.com had to remove the games from sale, but Bethesda said today that it is working to return the games to Steam as soon as possible. "We have to remove existing publisher info, legal text, etc." the company tweeted."

So yep, my gut feeling was right about Bethesda, and it's likely Bethesda has an issue with 'no DRM' in their games. There are still game pages for the older Fallout titles on Steam, but Bethesda is now listed as the publisher instead of Interplay. Whereas the game pages for the Fallout titles here on GOG were removed entirely.

http://store.steampowered.com/app/38400/

http://store.steampowered.com/app/38410/

http://store.steampowered.com/app/38420/

Yep.
Post edited January 03, 2014 by thelovebat
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Luckmann: Money-grubbing hooknoses
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skirtish: I can't quite decide what's uglier. People still expressing variants of the ancient idiotic racist stereotype that jews are greedy.

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GordanShumway: Excellent word usage
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skirtish: Or people publicly applauding it.

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GordanShumway: I will be using "hooknose" as often as possible
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skirtish: This does seem helpful, though, in that it will allow people to sooner estimate your intellectual capacity.
First, someone says 'hooknose' to me, I think fish pro tip: Google "European hook-nose" et al. A fact I'm sure you'd know if you didn't limit your education to Internet forums. I don't know what being Jewish has to do with anything involving a video game as Judaism was the furthest thing from my mind. Glad your familiar with racist lingo, as I could care less. Secondly, I'll thank you kindly to leave me out of whatever bone you've got to pick because it's not with me. Not that I have to justify myself to you or anyone else.

Furthermore, if the term was meant in an Anti-Semitic way I formally renounce my praise for the person being creative while slandering the "fishy" practices of Bethesda.
Post edited January 03, 2014 by GordanShumway
Interplay aren't exactly the immaculate virgins when it comes to games. One example was Another World/ Out of this World when doing console ports for it by dismissing Eric Chahi's work on the original and insisting on a list of things to change it and dumb it down. Chahi was infuriated and wanted to keep the game as it was as there was nothing wrong with it. Thankfully, Chahi won the battle and Interplay's insistence, played out in a later 3DO version of the title, just proved back to them how wrong they were in messing with it. Quite possibly the worst version of the game ever made

Interplay have made quite some dumb choices in the past, their handling of Fallout is just another one catching up to them. Ironic that they should lose out to Bethesda in this sense, given the title of the game...
There appears to be an official update on the state of the Fallout games. On its twitter page the said that they are working to get it back on Steam as soon as possible, that they are working to change the logos over to Bethesda. A couple people replyed back and asked about GoG. Theyre response was that the first priority was to get it back on Steam. So what does this mean? It means that Bethesda has its head up Steams ass, But that it may be brought back to GoG eventually. Here's a link to the page https://twitter.com/Bethblog/status/418871493129302016
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What I find particularly obnoxious about that stream of info is how Bethesda made sure to pointedly ignore people politely asking about GOG possibly having the games back in the catalog while simultaneously doing their damnedest to digitally fellate the current frontrunners for the Biggest Purveyors of Overblown Overhyped Vaporware Bullshit Award, 2014 edition.
Also, I can see how people aren't exactly pleased to know that Bethesda now has sole control of Fallout in all its forms. I played Fallout 3, because I kinda hate myself sometimes, and I played it for over 100 hours, because I REALLY kinda hate myself sometimes, and it was to clusterfucks what tornadoes are to gentle breezes.
And so, for a change of pace, I played New Vegas - as if it were a Diablo clone. End result, after interacting with nothing I didn't have to, no buying, no selling, no side quests, no nothing? Level 50 character, no change in the world, nothing matters, nothing changes, nothing but bigger and bigger piles of glassy eyed, expressionless faced, sure-as-hell-not-human Barbie and Ken-looking corpses strewn everywhere. Can't wait to see what kind of excrement they can compress into FO4 - Elder Scrolls In Mad Max Dressup, Again.
If nothing else, this is serving as a very pointed reminder to give Bethesda a pass at every single turn (as if pissing away money on the triple threat of abject disappointment known as FO3, FONV and Skyrim wasn't lesson enough), and to start doing some serious godsdamned digging when it comes to whether or not to buy anything on Steam. Getting the feeling that doing anything to back that horse, even if only a dollar, is a really, really bad idea for the long run.

Total tangent here for a moment, but have to get it out. What is the point of making kids unkillable in the current games? Does noone see how moronic this approach is? What, they're untouchable and angelic until they hit puberty and then they're chainsaw fodder with all the other worthless adults? What demented crotch spawn worshipping lunatic came up with this shit? Oh wait. People at Bethesda did. I remember Fallout 2. I remember stupid kids wanting to play with one of my guns. And after saving so I didn't screw my overall game up, I let them play with a spare pistol. They ran off, I came back later, and all there was were bloodstains. Two plus two equaled stupid children somewhere with a whole lot of blood on the outside rather than in. I still remember that, and my memory sucks golf balls through garden hoses in most respects. But the current designers evidently don't have the spine to explore such ideas. Gods forbid they conceive something that's actually memorable. You know what I'm remembering from Fallout 3? Three Dog. AND THAT'S ONLY BECAUSE I WOULD ACTUALLY BUY DLC TO BE ABLE TO MURDER HIM WITH A SERIES OF DENTAL DRILLS AFTER CUTTING HIS TONGUE OUT. And they're the ones with Fallout in their hands. So they can fuck it up for the next ten years or more. And halfwits can keep telling them how great they are. And they can continue getting rich on mediocrity.

It's enough to make a person want to go play something "better", keeping in mind that I use the comparison as "it's 'better' to be set on fire, as opposed to being raped to death by elephants", like a Call of Duty game. Or a Halo game. Or a Final Fantasy game. Or a Castlevania game. Or one of the other in a seemingly endless procession of "triple A" games and series that were either good once but fallen apart, or were overhyped crap from the very beginning, all engaged in one great massive circlejerk of rehashed garbage and nonexistent expectation. And round and round it goes, good items getting turned into putrescent shit and putrescent shit being perceived as exalted treasure.

Actually, I'm kidding. I'm not playing Call of Duty. Or Halo. Or new Castlevania. Or new Fallout. Or new Final Fantasy. Even sheer self-loathing fueled masochism only goes so far.

Edit - Would also have paid money to use body parts from the inhabitants of Little Lamplight to bludgeon Three Dog to death, and vice versa.
Post edited January 03, 2014 by CarrionCrow
You do know New Vegas was made by Obsidian, right?

I guess in theory, you could also ignore the story line in FO 1&2 and just try to kill everything as well.
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babaganoosh13: You do know New Vegas was made by Obsidian, right?

I guess in theory, you could also ignore the story line in FO 1&2 and just try to kill everything as well.
My overall point, venom-fueled invective aside, is massive amounts of frustration and disappointment over seeing things that were actually good being transformed into steaming piles of crap that are hyped to such a degree that the level of "steaming crap pile" is what's being aspired to. And when I mean good, I don't mean good because corrupt games journalists/websites say it's good. I'm talking about something actually being good based on its own merits. It's really frigging depressing, honestly. Have been doing this for about 20 years now, it's my primary hobby by far, and now I get to witness so many things that were once genuinely good being mutated into this self-deceptive nonsense where "mediocre equals good" is the mantra of the day. In a lot of ways, it feels like one of the few things I genuinely care about is backsliding further and further and further. Watching its descent doesn't make me the happiest of campers.