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Posted March 29, 2019
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CymTyr: I don't feel this is punishing GOG. This would refund the game and come out of Wolcen's development proceeds on GOG. There is a distinct difference.
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viranimus: Except that is not how commerce and retail distribution works. Refunds would either partially or completely be on GOG dependent on their contract with Wolcen.
I'm pretty sure when games get refunded, that comes out of the publisher's pie. I could be wrong though, but thanks for sticking up for GOG :)

I think they might currently be figuring out whether or not they CAN refund us. Been two days and I haven't heard anything yet, and I'm unlikely to hear anything over the weekend.

It's very whiteknight of you to try to make me feel bad for wanting to return an unfinished game, but as a consumer I expected something different from what I got.

Respectfully, we have a difference of opinion on obligations of a consumer. Have a nice day.
-Cym
Posted March 30, 2019
I do not like the sound ot this at all. I backed UMBRA/Wolcen early and only because the devs said the Game would be DRM free. I do not care about having to wait even longer (Devlivery 2016?!?!?) but I absolutely disagree if the devs will not uphold the promise to deliver as they said! As a consequnce I contacted them and now am curious to hear from them in return.

Best regards

phil
Posted March 30, 2019
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chandra: , the devs behind Wolcen: Lords of Mayhem will not be able to maintain update parity between GOG.COM and other platforms. We've mutually agreed that it's best to delist the game from our catalog.
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Lifthrasil: Thanks for the notice and it was the correct decision.

However, I would like to raise my suggestion again: could you make removal warnings blue News threads please? Or make them stand out in some other way. It's far too easy to miss these in the flood of other regular threads.
I second this statement by Lift

Also, would someone please explain what is meant by "update parity"? Thank you in advance.
Posted March 30, 2019
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ChrisGamer300: Worthless devs and the amount of devs that care so little about platform parity are too large already not to mention because of actions like what Wolcen Studio has shown, it's a gamble when deciding whether to buy a game at launch or close to it or simply waiting until it's 100% complete unless the devs have already proven themselves several times over.
Perhaps they care, but time invested is not compesated by sales (E.g. due to poor platform updates tools...)?
Posted March 30, 2019
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chandra: Despite their best efforts, the devs behind Wolcen: Lords of Mayhem will not be able to maintain update parity between GOG.COM and other platforms. We've mutually agreed that it's best to delist the game from our catalog.
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joppo: I know you can't oficially say the truth because it would reflect bad on Gog for shaming crappy devs, so let me run this through a de-BSfier:

"Those hacks behind Wolcen couldn't be arsed with updating the game many of you paid for and they think our customers are second class compared to other stores's customers. So we called them out on it and they decided they would rather just cut any future profit from Gog and get away with their current loot. We can't recover what they already took but we can keep them from fooling more of our customers so we're booting out their garbage. We wish we had never invited these assholes in here. Good riddance."
Bluntly, lovely, honest :D

But IMO the nice thing here is regardless how much it gets sugarcoated it makes the devs look utterly incompetent. I mean who would trust them now (no matter which platform) to deliver anything if they cannot keep a game updated on a platform even though they gave their best effort according to the official face-value statement. I mean best effort. In my book that means they gave their A game; they put all their heads and talent together and could not solve the technical mystery of keeping the game updated here. Its nothing short of a miracle that they managed to release something that resembles a game so far under that premise.
Posted March 30, 2019
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Microfishd: Also, would someone please explain what is meant by "update parity"? Thank you in advance.
Update parity means that when the game is updated on another platform, these updates are also made available on GOG. That isn't always the case. Specifically, it happens often that Steam versions of games receive some patches or additions that never appear on GOG. GOG versions of games are, sadly, sometimes neglected. Some devs, like those of Wolcen apparently, aren't willing to maintain a DRM-free version of a game next to the Steam version.
Posted March 30, 2019
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ChrisGamer300: Worthless devs and the amount of devs that care so little about platform parity are too large already not to mention because of actions like what Wolcen Studio has shown, it's a gamble when deciding whether to buy a game at launch or close to it or simply waiting until it's 100% complete unless the devs have already proven themselves several times over.
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OldOldGamer: Perhaps they care, but time invested is not compesated by sales (E.g. due to poor platform updates tools...)?
Perhaps but they haven't bothered to update the GOG version in a long, long time and if they care then they have completely underminded it by their actions towards their backers with literally every promise they ever made broken, how they deal with fair criticism and tbh even on Steam they are constantly messing up.

I thought GOG's tool was updated by now ? also that they can now just upload to Galaxy directly and GOG then make offline installers of it.
Post edited March 30, 2019 by ChrisGamer300
Posted March 30, 2019
So is there still a chance for Wolcen to return once it's finished or not?
Posted March 30, 2019
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Swedrami: So is there still a chance for Wolcen to return once it's finished or not?
If I were you, I wouldn't hold my breath.
Posted March 30, 2019
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sinfulangel: Just got a refund for this game. That actually proves GOG cares about their customer.
The only problem is that it came from GOG's pocket it was not their responsibility but nonetheless they are cool like that.

Shame on you Wolcen Studio!
Posted March 31, 2019
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Microfishd: Also, would someone please explain what is meant by "update parity"? Thank you in advance.
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Lifthrasil: Update parity means that when the game is updated on another platform, these updates are also made available on GOG. That isn't always the case. Specifically, it happens often that Steam versions of games receive some patches or additions that never appear on GOG. GOG versions of games are, sadly, sometimes neglected. Some devs, like those of Wolcen apparently, aren't willing to maintain a DRM-free version of a game next to the Steam version.
Thank you for the explanation. I appreciate it.
Posted April 20, 2019
i was interested in Wolcen (after D3 lost me completely when Blizzard said it needs BN 2.0 and no LAN Mode)
the removal doesn t make me sad in any way, since it is still ... yeah STILL early access.

Also got myself Grim Dawn + the DLCs which is (in my Book) the better D3 and it is finished and
has even supported crossplay with Steam. So yeah... not in the slightest sorry for that removed
game.
Posted April 20, 2019
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GHOSTMD: Also got myself Grim Dawn + the DLCs which is (in my Book) the better D3 and it is finished and
has even supported crossplay with Steam.
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Ancient-Red-Dragon: For a very long time, Grim Dawn didn't support Crossplay. That's very good news if the Grim Dawn devs finally put Crossplay into it though.
I can confirm that crossplay in Grim works, although it sometimes bugs out with "can t connect to server"
Msg and i have no clue why. As far as it concerns the removal of Wolcen, we have Grim Dawn on GoG
and i can glady recommend Grim Dawn to anybody.
Posted April 20, 2019
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Ancient-Red-Dragon: For a very long time, Grim Dawn didn't support Crossplay. That's very good news if the Grim Dawn devs finally put Crossplay into it though.
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GHOSTMD: I can confirm that crossplay in Grim works, although it sometimes bugs out with "can t connect to server"
Msg and i have no clue why. As far as it concerns the removal of Wolcen, we have Grim Dawn on GoG
and i can glady recommend Grim Dawn to anybody.
And Titan Quest / Torchlight 1&2 / Sacred 1&2 / Victor Vran / The Adventures of Van Hellsing 1-3 and Complete / the Heretic games / all of Soldak's games / more that I'm probably forgetting... and of course the grandaddy of them all DIABLO!

Plenty of ARPG clicking goodness :P
Post edited April 20, 2019 by Bigs
Posted April 28, 2019
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omega64: Devs are dicks for refusing to update. Good riddance. :/
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Crosmando: How hard is it to upload a file on the internet? Literally a few minutes work tops. And I thought I was lazy. Devs are probably butthurt that the game sold so little on GOG so they've decided to seek revenge on GOG users by cutting support.
No they decided to produce game for macro-transactions master race.

Wolcen studio is a scam business.
Scamming people on global scale.

PS: On friday i wanted to check how far is this game, etc. I see scam artists removed it.
Since I got scammed with pagan online(stay away from those scam artists as well)... I want other kind of ARPG that won't scam me, and I can't find none.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUAX0gnZ3Nw

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Post edited April 28, 2019 by gagcom
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