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Posted July 13, 2015
Fantastical sounds and sights.

Trine 2: Complete Story becomes more complete today with a <span class="bold">Soundtrack &amp; Artbook Pack</span>, DRM-free on GOG.com with a 75% discount!

The Trine universe is magical in setting as much as sound and sights. The complete story can now be seen and heard in two new ways, thanks to this wonderful pack containing the original soundtrack by award-winning composer Ari Pulkkinen, as well as an artbook annotated by the game developers themselves.

In Trine 2: Complete Story, three inseparable heroes embark on a quest through magical, colorful, and awe-inspiring locations. The diverse and lush environments are packed to the brim with inventive puzzles, challenges, and danger. It will take precision, wits, and--most of all--teamwork, to lead the iconic trio through the ordeal!

Complete your fantasy with the <span class="bold">Soundtrack &amp; Artbook Pack</span> available now on GOG.com! The launch discount will last for one week, until Monday July 20, 4:29 PM GMT.
Posted July 13, 2015
I guess GOG could either bring this content in the same state as Steam (sold separately), or not bring it at all.
Posted July 13, 2015
This is probably because Frozenbyte was selling these things separately. While I think they should just be bundled I am glad they are here.
Posted July 13, 2015
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Yeah, and right now the content on GOG is actually a bit more than Steam, since we took some effort and finally included the Trine 2: Goblin Menace soundtrack in the package too, and the "mushroom book" (we'll update them for Steam shortly too).

All in all this package includes 1 hour and 28 minutes of composed music. Not too bad in my opinion. :)
Posted July 13, 2015
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JoelFB: Uh-oh! Posted on the original thread and now found this one...

I apologize for any disappointment, but from our perspective this release is mainly a "maintenance" one making the whole of our products at GOG inline with Steam. We have been selling this package on Steam since launch, and it's always been on the list of "when there's time" to add it to GOG as well. This topic came up by other users in the earlier thread http://www.gog.com/forum/general/preorder_play_trine_3_the_artifacts_of_power_df8a7/ and we figured that now was a good time to get it done.

I'll reply on the specifics shortly.

- Joel, Frozenbyte team, developers of Trine 2: Complete Story
Hi Joel adn first let me jusat say how much I love the Trine series. I sent an email about including the sound track for Trine 2 on GOG a while and am very pleased to see it here. I think of of the reasons it wasn't bundled was because it was something you guys wanted to sell separately. I'm very happy that you've bought it here though so I can add it to my collection and everything. I just hope that you guys don't get too much negative feedback from the community. Personally I prefer my games and goodies being bulnded even if it means paying a little extra.
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JoelFB: Ok, so first things first - please do not blame GOG for, well, any of this. We are aware that GOG generally prefers that soundtracks and other goodies are included with the base game. However, in our case, we couldn't have it any other way - we sell the same package on Steam, and it would not be fair to the Steam customers if we suddenly gave it for free on GOG. Humble Bundle is a special case and should be treated as such, and while technically "for free", that's not really how we feel about it (nor how we feel customers should feel about it but everyone's entitled to their opinion of course).
Sounds fair enough to me. :)
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Magmarock: Hi Joel adn first let me jusat say how much I love the Trine series. I sent an email about including the sound track for Trine 2 on GOG a while and am very pleased to see it here. I think of of the reasons it wasn't bundled was because it was something you guys wanted to sell separately. I'm very happy that you've bought it here though so I can add it to my collection and everything. I just hope that you guys don't get too much negative feedback from the community. Personally I prefer my games and goodies being bulnded even if it means paying a little extra.
Thanks, we've got a few emails about this over the years (as well as the missing Goblin Menace soundtrack, which is now added too). I was slightly surprised at all the negativity but it makes sense in the overall scheme of things, our "reality" was just different and we sort of figured we were doing a favor to fans. But such is life, and some of the criticism is valid, so maybe in the future we can figure out ways to make everybody happier (I dare not say everybody happy, because it's very hard these days!). Hope you enjoy the music and books! :)
Posted July 13, 2015
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JoelFB: Ok, so first things first - please do not blame GOG for, well, any of this. We are aware that GOG generally prefers that soundtracks and other goodies are included with the base game. However, in our case, we couldn't have it any other way - we sell the same package on Steam, and it would not be fair to the Steam customers if we suddenly gave it for free on GOG. Humble Bundle is a special case and should be treated as such, and while technically "for free", that's not really how we feel about it (nor how we feel customers should feel about it but everyone's entitled to their opinion of course). The same Steam comparison goes for pricing. We figured the 75% discount would be good for those GOG customers who have been asking about it (in the earlier thread). What we perhaps misunderstood was that GOG put it up on the front page, we pretty much thought it would just quietly appear and we'd inform folks in the earlier thread and everybody would be happy.

As for FLAC, the reason this is MP3 (same as Steam, and I believe the Humble Bundle as well) is that we have an agreement with our composer that he can sell the FLAC versions on his website and we only use the MP3 version. I can understand your frustration regarding this, and you can call it greed if you want, but as with many other things, these can get really complicated and this is one of the problems it has created. The way I feel about it is that if you really like the music, you might want to support the composer who did it by buying the soundtrack from him directly, thus supporting his future music endeavors. I'll give you a personal refund if you have previously bought the soundtrack on Steam or GOG and now buy it from Ari directly (send me a receipt for the original purchase and I'll do it).

In the future we will do things somewhat differently, at least for some games - Trine 3: The Artifacts of Power (upon release) will include the soundtrack with the game, for example (this is a small thank-you to our Early Access/Pre-order buyers, i.e. they get the soundtrack for free basically, most likely still as MP3 though).

- Joel, Frozenbyte team, developers of Trine 2: Complete Story
Hello,
First all thanks for clarifying things in this thread.... But I strongly disagree with you on some points.

You are saying that if you give us, owners of the "Complete" edition, this content for free it will not be "fair" to steam users? Yet:
* When discussing my points I will use the term "They" as "Steam users". *

- You mantion Humble Bundle as an exception. Why not give it to people who already bought the game here as gesture of a good will and make it an "exception" as well?
- They have had it for purchase for more than 2 years now. While we are receiving this content just now. Does this "Fair"?
- They have "Trine Editor" that we cannot get because frozenbyte company will have to host our creations on company's servers.... What??? What happened to the good old - Save locally - mechanism.... Is something fair here? They are getting an exclusive rich content for free. Link to original comment

Please don't make it sound like it's not fair for Steam users. They are not the underdog gaming platform here. We are.

Why not show a good will and give the package to the owners of the "Complete" game and let newcomers to the game buy it if they will see fit? It can be a nice "Sorry for the delay on this guys, we knew you wanted it" move.

But that's just me ranting and babbling.

I do appreciate your open take on things and how you will refund money for people who bought the FLAC files from the composer's site.

Have a nice day (Or night... :D)
Posted July 13, 2015
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TheBigLLS: You mantion Humble Bundle as an exception. Why not give it to people who already bought the game here as gesture of a good will and make it an "exception" as well?
Because artists deserve to be compensated, so they can continue to do what they do. Just because they decided to offer their work for a limited time to support charity, doesn't mean it no longer has any value.
Post edited July 13, 2015 by Barry_Woodward
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JoelFB: Ok, so first things first...

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- Joel, Frozenbyte team, developers of Trine 2: Complete Story
Regardless of the complaints, and whether or not some of them are justified, I just wanted to say thanks to you, for taking the time to interact with the community here directly and explaining the situation. Always nice when developers do that.

I suspect the main source of the occasional drama here is the fact that GOG users have been "spoiled" a little, because GOG always tried ( and hopefully still do ) to go the extra mile, and supply their customers with extra value for their money. I can see how that puts developers and publishers in a difficult spot sometimes, when you don't want customers at other stores such as Steam to feel like they received an inferior deal compared to GOG.

I guess for some this is a matter of principle, but personally I look at it in more practical terms and to me, whichever way you turn it, ~1 Euro is a steal for a soundtrack plus digital art collection. Of course I won't complain about freebies, but I don't mind paying a few bucks extra if I receive quality goods in return.

So I hope some of the complaints here won't bother you and your team too much, and you'll keep publishing your games and extras here at GOG. :)
Post edited July 13, 2015 by CharlesGrey
Posted July 13, 2015
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javihyuga: Aren't these already included in the Humble DRM-Free version? I got listed 3 soundtracks (so 1 + 2 + GM) and an ebook, which I remember being the artbook.
Thanks for reminding me. I'm almost bought this again.
Posted July 13, 2015
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JoelFB: Ok, so first things first...

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- Joel, Frozenbyte team, developers of Trine 2: Complete Story
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CharlesGrey: Regardless of the complaints, and whether or not some of them are justified, I just wanted to say thanks to you, for taking the time to interact with the community here directly and explaining the situation. Always nice when developers do that.

I suspect the main source of the occasional drama here is the fact that GOG users have been "spoiled" a little, because GOG always tried ( and hopefully still do ) to go the extra mile, and supply their customers with extra value for their money. I can see how that puts developers and publishers in a difficult spot sometimes, when you don't want customers at other stores such as Steam to feel like they received an inferior deal compared to GOG.

I guess for some this is a matter of principle, but personally I look at it in more practical terms and to me, whichever way you turn it, ~1 Euro is a steal for a soundtrack plus digital art collection. Of course I won't complain about freebies, but I don't mind paying a few bucks extra if I receive quality goods in return.

So I hope some of the complaints here won't bother you and your team too much, and you'll keep publishing your games and extras here at GOG. :)
Agreed. Whenever someone directly involved with a product takes the time to talk here, explain things, clarify, answer questions, interact with customers in general, it definitely increases my likelihood of buying that product.
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TheBigLLS: - You mantion Humble Bundle as an exception. Why not give it to people who already bought the game here as gesture of a good will and make it an "exception" as well?
We did not feel the situation warranted an exception like that. Of course it would have been nice, and I agree that for some users it definitely would have made sense (those who have asked us about it, basically). I hope the discount helps most though (in hindsight maybe we could've made the discount a bit bigger, 75% was just the default no-thinking-needed one that I asked GOG to use...).

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TheBigLLS: - They have had it for purchase for more than 2 years now. While we are receiving this content just now. Does this "Fair"?
No. This was not fair. Sorry! There were a few reasons for this, most prominently that we simply didn't have a whole lot of time back then. I apologize for that, it's one of those things where we have to choose our battles, but nevertheless it is/was our problem and we should find the time to do these with higher priority. (I also believe GOG did not have separate packages then, so that played a part too since we couldn't just include it for free.)

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TheBigLLS: - They have "Trine Editor" that we cannot get because frozenbyte company will have to host our creations on company's servers.... What??? What happened to the good old - Save locally - mechanism.... Is something fair here? They are getting an exclusive rich content for free. Link to original comment
Admittedly we use Steam Workshop which makes things easy for (Steam) users, it's quite a bit of stuff that it handles that we would need to handle separately otherwise. I believe all the files are saved locally though, so technically you could copy the files and distribute, but I am not 100% sure at the moment. This is a discussion we are having internally and it's possible we will be able to change this at some point (can't really promise though, and it'd probably only apply to future games).

Also I have to say that the "Complete Story" name means the original Trine 2 story campaign coupled with the Goblin Menace expansion campaign. I guess we should've named it differently to avoid some of the confusion (and avoid some other fuss that happened with the change, too). If you or anyone else is very bummed out about the situation, please feel free to get in touch with our support ( http://www.frozenbyte.com/contact/ ).
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CharlesGrey: So I hope some of the complaints here won't bother you and your team too much, and you'll keep publishing your games and extras here at GOG. :)
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CarrionCrow: Agreed. Whenever someone directly involved with a product takes the time to talk here, explain things, clarify, answer questions, interact with customers in general, it definitely increases my likelihood of buying that product.
Thanks guys. :) We are happy with GOG and will continue to support it, and sometimes it's good to have a bit of criticism to keep our feet to the ground, heh. Ultimately our thinking is that if we create good games, good things will come, and it's also a lot easier to be here when I know the games are good and we are trying to be fair etc on the business side as well. Can't always succeed but we keep on 'trine. :)
Post edited July 13, 2015 by JoelFB
Posted July 13, 2015
I probably need to get in my bunker before writing this, here it goes.

I've always seen Frozenbyte as a friendly developer that creates great games and ask like half of the price compared to other developers and goes long ways to support their fans/customers. Let's not forget they have also gave us a complete remake of the first Trine game for free which brought in something more than just better graphics: multiplayer support.

I agree with some people here about the lack of a FLAC format, personally I would love it too but Joel has already gave us more than enough reasons why that isn't here and I sympathize with him and I won't complain even if he didn't show up here.

On the other hand I don't blame the GOG community either, many games have had their goodies provided for free for quite some time, especially the older games so something like this with a price tastes bad, It shouldn't however as such extras have been selling this way as a form of DLC on Steam for a good while.

In any case, I have both the OST and the Artbook on Humble Bundle and I find it totally worth the price for any Trine fan. My favorite part of this deal is the Artbook, it's beautifully rendered and contains lots of design information about the game's development.

Despite having it on Humble Bundle, I consider the launch discount a steal and will be buying it here during this week.


PS: This might not be the only game that will get a paid OST, another game I'm aware of - 'Hand of Fate' has it's OST available as DLC on Steam but not on GOG.
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CharlesGrey: Regardless of the complaints, and whether or not some of them are justified, I just wanted to say thanks to you, for taking the time to interact with the community here directly and explaining the situation. Always nice when developers do that.

I suspect the main source of the occasional drama here is the fact that GOG users have been "spoiled" a little, because GOG always tried ( and hopefully still do ) to go the extra mile, and supply their customers with extra value for their money. I can see how that puts developers and publishers in a difficult spot sometimes, when you don't want customers at other stores such as Steam to feel like they received an inferior deal compared to GOG.

I guess for some this is a matter of principle, but personally I look at it in more practical terms and to me, whichever way you turn it, ~1 Euro is a steal for a soundtrack plus digital art collection. Of course I won't complain about freebies, but I don't mind paying a few bucks extra if I receive quality goods in return.

So I hope some of the complaints here won't bother you and your team too much, and you'll keep publishing your games and extras here at GOG. :)
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CarrionCrow: Agreed. Whenever someone directly involved with a product takes the time to talk here, explain things, clarify, answer questions, interact with customers in general, it definitely increases my likelihood of buying that product.
Well, its better to be able to buy the product, then not be able to have the product at all
i have seen alot of people asking that at least GoG shoud sell the soundtrack if they cant include them in the game due to contract/deals or other issues.
Also giving a +1 to the Dev.
Thanks for stopping by.
Post edited July 13, 2015 by Lodium
Posted July 13, 2015
I'm just speculating here but perhaps there's a difference in the way composers are compensated nowadays (especially with indies) verses how they were in the past that accounts for why many soundtracks are now sold separately. Maybe the contracts from yesteryear stipulated that the artists were paid upfront and that the developer/publisher owned the rights to the music in perpetuity (making it easier for them to include as a free bonus), whereas now artists get paid per sale (sometimes in lieu of any initial compensation).
Post edited July 13, 2015 by Barry_Woodward
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