It's kind of silly to play a game just because some folks aren't into it. Everyone's entitled to their opinions on games for whatever reason. If some people think the writing is woke nonsense, that's totally valid for them to dislike it. It's not as extreme as those on Reddit who are actually calling to get RTS banned from steam because it's Russian propaganda. Or some users saying hatres needs to be removed.

But to be honest shitting writing can really ruin the game for me.

Edit: I plan on buying the game. My wife would like this game alot. I got her into 3rd person games recently.

I haven't, but I certainly will. I find the anti-woke crowd hilarious in their vitriol and the ultimate implosion of their arguments into the very base. Sadly, many once well-meaning have been ushered into hate via this "back door," but they don't even know it. Now it's an identity marker for them.

As for me...

... I dislike poor storytelling, but think there's just as much room for the woke as the traditional male-driven power fantasies (Heck, I love Conan!). That some will go out of their way to try and keep other ideas from existing -- or reaching people -- is sad and IMO childish.

What is traditional male-driven power fantasies?

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If you want further discussion on this -- which I'm happy to ablige -- I suggest a new thread.

I'm just wondering. Growing up playing games, I never really sense a traditional male power fantasies in gaming. But yeah this is probably for another thread.

I do not back down to those who want to remove my choices in life or try to make my choices seem invalid by loudly "hating" on games or choices or...? I'm free to play what I want and for teh reasons I want, yes? If I wanna play Warhammer 40,000 Space Marine, sobeit. If I wanna play Life is Strange, sobeit. Get my point?

And I do not remember ever posting on a thread that someone should not play a game simply because I disliked it or didn't agree with its worldview. Who made me king? Not I.

The culture war is toxic

Hopefully we can get back to Echoes of the End.

No one is removing your choices. Your right, you never posted that someone should not play a game simply because you disliked it. Not sure I said you did as well.

You certainly are by essentially calling me "silly," but then you try and re-contextualize it as "opinions." Creating social pressure (or trying to) while enforcing identity markers.

But you are in essence trying to enforce your opinion over mine. Because yours is just a "valid opinion" while mine is "silly."

Russian propaganda? What does that have to do with anything? Is this politics again?

I think you've shown your cards.

I suggested going to another thread with this but I'm not sure the discussion is worth it.

Vote with your dollars. :) Let the free market decide.

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What I'm trying to say is that you're upset about people complaining about woke elements in games, but honestly, it's not that big of a deal. I just wanted to highlight that at least they aren't trying to get the game removed just because they don't like it.

Yes, it is silly. You're going out of your way to play games because people you disagree with, don't like it. That doesn't seem logical.

Edit: about the Russian propaganda comment. No it's not political but there are two RTS that are made by pro Russian developers that are obvious propaganda. People were trying to have steam remove there latest game because of it.

And the childishness rears its head.

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I am playing "woke" games because I played Banishers and found it to be one of the most meaningful experiences I ever had in gaming. If I would have listened to the anti-woke crowd (including the guy who sold it to me who said I shouldn't play it), I would never have had that experience. This is how social pressure works...

As I've said prior, I believe a person should be allowed to play whatever they want without having to be pressured one way or another... whatever their worldview or that of the game.

But if you think dogpiling anti-woke posts aren't social pressure / engineering on a street level.... sheesh.

IMO it's like groups wandering the streets trying to pressure people of the neighborhood into "right think." Now it's the internet?

And -- again IMO -- these anti-woke attacks are reductive and regressive becoming puritanical with "woke" being a standin for anything disliked -- real, truthful, or not. In fact wanting an end to anything "woke"... not a "magazine stand" marketplace where there is room for all types of ideas (and games).

The world has woke games. The world have anti-woke games. The world has games that don't care aboutr worldview.

There's enough room for everyone... and for every kind of game... even for games like Echoes of the End.

I'd suggest trying to come to terms with that... unless you just want to fight? I don't.