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As the video I will post soon shows, Jeffrey Epstein has been found dead by by "suicide" while being a "celebrity" or person of note and on suicide watch with 2 or more guards on duty.

Why RL Enemy of the State? Both involve "famous" or "important" figures who knew too much being killed off(or possibly in epstein's case) for knowing too much and it being made to look like suicide.

(If only we had a witness see it and go on the lam/be labelled a criminal/etc as a result would the comparison be more on point)

So what do you people think? Was he killed for knowing too much(allegedly he was going to name other rich/powerful people on many walks of life)? Or was it just real suicide? If either, please(if you want) tell us why you feel such.

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Additional: Yes, Epstein knew and likely was going to out some gov't people as well, and this might make this thread a tad political. If possible i;'d like to focus away from that while discussing this, but if staff feels it's too political they are free to lock it if they choose. Until then feel free to add in your opinions.
========================== More have also chimed in on youtube with their thoughts as well, if anyone wants more to watch on the subject.

Also Tim MIGHT go a bit political in the vid linked here. I have only watched half or so of it so far.
Post edited August 12, 2019 by GameRager
It was the satellites, clearly.
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Breja: It was the satellites, clearly.
*Spoiler*

That reminds me of the First Tex Murphy game and the killer satellite.
It was the food, someone spat on it.
He must have deliberately held his own breath long enough.

Nothing to see here, move along !

https://media.tenor.co/videos/cb2ba4e562676048174c76c3b9a1ea12/mp4
Post edited August 12, 2019 by Pouyou-pouyou
Most likely not a suicide.
He wasn't on "suicide watch" at time of death.

He was placed on suicide watch on July 23, and removed from watch on July 29 after psychiatric evaluation.

Whether that was wise (or within protocol) or not is another question. He was reported to be held in the "special housing unit" which did have higher security than gen pop, but it doesn't sound like 24/7 direct monitoring.

https://www.npr.org/2019/08/10/750113214/jeffrey-epstein-found-dead-early-saturday-morning

Was it suicide or murder? I have no special information, but for now I'm going with occam's razor.

I saw one thread where it was suggested his death was staged - I don't find that credible at all. If someone wanted his silence, killing him would be way easier than finding a body double, yada yada. It's not clear what value he would have to anyone he could flip on to go to all that trouble to plan and execute a grand conspiracy, much less actually pull it off in a way that could survive cursory investigation.
This is beyond disappointing and completely unsurprising. Epstein was likely the most shocked over his 'suicide'.
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bler144: He wasn't on "suicide watch" at time of death.

He was placed on suicide watch on July 23, and removed from watch on July 29 after psychiatric evaluation.
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Whether that was wise (or within protocol) or not is another question. He was reported to be held in the "special housing unit" which did have higher security than gen pop, but it doesn't sound like 24/7 direct monitoring.

https://www.npr.org/2019/08/10/750113214/jeffrey-epstein-found-dead-early-saturday-morning

Was it suicide or murder? I have no special information, but for now I'm going with occam's razor.

I saw one thread where it was suggested his death was staged - I don't find that credible at all. If someone wanted his silence, killing him would be way easier than finding a body double, yada yada. It's not clear what value he would have to anyone he could flip on to go to all that trouble to plan and execute a grand conspiracy, much less actually pull it off in a way that could survive cursory investigation.
1st bit: Thanks for the clarification.....most sites are reporting he was on watch at the time, oddly enough.

2nd bit: It was likely not staged, but I think someone wanted him silenced and got what they wanted. Other criminals have done it before so this I see is just as plausible(the making it look like a suicide bit).
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GreasyDogMeat: This is beyond disappointing and completely unsurprising. Epstein was likely the most shocked over his 'suicide'.
To be frank, with all the "ped*s" with influence in all walks(Just look at their pushing of the drag kids stuff and other such media on netflix/etc, for example) of life one can see some would likely want him gone before he blew the whistle and named names....even without any proof the naming alone would've put them in the spotlight some of them didn't/wouldn't want. :\
Post edited August 12, 2019 by GameRager
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GameRager: 2nd bit: It was likely not staged, but I think someone wanted him silenced and got what they wanted. Other criminals have done it before so this I see is just as plausible(the making it look like a suicide bit).
As a watcher of lots of suspense films, sure, I see it as technically plausible.

I think the flaw in that thinking though, is that if Epstein really had that level of dirt he would have almost certainly played more self-defense. He may have been a lot of things, but he was well-connected and had pretty vast resources.

It wouldn't have been that hard to leave a pile of evidence somewhere, or tip off the media, or find a DA somewhere who would be willing to stash him somewhere safe in exchange for the political windfall.

I'm no criminal mastermind (also, not a pedophile), but give me what he had to work with, and even if there was a conspiracy to kill me, I'm pretty sure I could've figured something out. There's no indication he was a nice guy, but I'm guessing he wasn't a complete idiot either.
Post edited August 12, 2019 by bler144
My family believes it was a hit, but I really do think he legitimately killed himself. He had to know he'd never step foot out of a prison from that moment on, and he clearly had delusions of grandeur that had come crashing back to reality all at once.

If it was a hit, why wait until he's in custody? Anyone powerful and connected enough to arrange a fake suicide while he's in custody is powerful enough to know that he's about to go to jail in the first place, and killing him before that point would have invited significantly less scrutiny. Doing it this way suggests capricious, bumbling criminals more reminiscent of the Home Alone burglars than high-end killers.

If there are shadowy cabals out there, they're embarrassingly incompetent.
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bler144: As a watcher of lots of suspense films, sure, I see it as technically plausible.

I think the flaw in that thinking though, is that if Epstein really had that level of dirt he would have almost certainly played more self-defense. He may have been a lot of things, but he was well-connected and had pretty vast resources.

It wouldn't have been that hard to leave a pile of evidence somewhere, or tip off the media, or find a DA somewhere who would be willing to stash him somewhere safe in exchange for the political coup.

I'm no criminal mastermind (also, not a pe**phile), but give me what he had to work with, and even if there was a conspiracy to kill me, I'm pretty sure I could've figured something out. There's no indication he was a nice guy, but I'm guessing he wasn't a complete idiot either.
Who knows....maybe he DID leave some dirt behind for others to find & it hasn't been revealed yet by whoever is keeping an eye on it.

As for implausible....he was RICH and also REMEMBER he likely would have gotten a good time/etc deal for ratting on others to the courts/etc. As such, he had no reason to kill himself(imo).

(Sidenote: I censored the one word you wrote to keep this site/thread from appearing in the wrong kinds of searches by the wrong kind of people)



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227: If it was a hit, why wait until he's in custody? Anyone powerful and connected enough to arrange a fake suicide while he's in custody is powerful enough to know that he's about to go to jail in the first place, and killing him before that point would have invited significantly less scrutiny. Doing it this way suggests capricious, bumbling criminals more reminiscent of the Home Alone burglars than high-end killers.

If there are shadowy cabals out there, they're embarrassingly incompetent.
Actually often such criminal orgs do such killing because they can bribe the right guards/others to look the other way and often in prison it's easier to get at such people when they are essentially caged to a small area.
Post edited August 12, 2019 by GameRager
he needed to be taken to account

as well as everybody else associated
depressing as hell, of course.




i think you need to make less political topics. srsly, stop. im watching what you do.
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Fairfox: i think you need to make less political topics.
yarp!
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GameRager: Who knows....maybe he DID leave some dirt behind for others to find & it hasn't been revealed yet by whoever is keeping an eye on it.
You're missing the point I was implying - if you have that dirt, and someone KNOWS you have that dirt enough to have motive to kill you, you can presumably find a way to communicate to them that you've made plans to ensure it comes out if they off you.

And meh, he almost certainly wouldn't have gotten that good a deal. You flip the small fish with immunity to get the big fish, but his crimes were as bad (and probably worse) than pretty much everyone else involved. You don't give him immunity for conspiracy/trafficking/solicitation/statutory just because he happens to know that [important personX] also committed statutory because Epstein arranged for it.

That's...not how it generally works.

And if he really had that info, again, why not proactively seek out a deal instead of lingering around for weeks?

Anyway, you clearly want to believe, so who am I to disabuse you of your theorying? Have fun with it. ;)