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Vainamoinen: snip
There you go again moving goalposts demanding some sort of "absolute proof". Not to mention your insulting insinuations "vainly" trying to link this to Trump or Gamergate or whatever other "pink elephant".

The fact is that the original poster of the information posted a lot of information compiled from a large number of sources, be it various Discords and multiple forums. I cannot find the source material for most of it, but it's seemly there because he compiled itr. We have screenshots and screenshots of directories. Plenty of detail and that detail extends to talk of Randy insisting on "certification" or "QA" fees even if Frederick does the work for free. It's clearly believable to anyone with a wit of common sense. What I was able to verify though was Randy being very evasive about the talks of release in a video interview. He first claimed it's all up to 2K, kinda passed it off as something they probably wouldn't bother with because they don't care about Duke anymore. Then talked how he'd like to put it in a new compilation, etc. Yet, it really didn't sound as if he was very gung-ho about it.

I believe the original poster, it seems the only one who doesn't seem to is you or Amok with your lame excuses why you don't believe him, like join dates or how you think it's a conspiracy or whatever made up bs you are throwing into this thread.

It seems very clear than at the very least, Randy wants to make some money off the prototype material if he bothers to let it get released. It seems very clear that Frederick wants the prototypes released as he has already made Shadow Warrior prototypes available and is talking about prototypes he has for Prey.

Or we can listen to our two resident Internet warriors (Amok or Vain) who just like poking holes in things for no reason. When I compare the credibility of TonyTiger and his posts to yours, there isn't a comparison at all. He seems to know what he is talking about, while you two keep making feeble excuses even going so far as throwing out terms you clearly do not understand like "Burden of Proof" as if this is some sort of criminal court case. Which is strange since only criminal cases require a Burden of Proof to beyond a reasonable doubt, while civil cases are determined by Preponderance of the Evidence which essentially means to tip the balance just enough to be more believable than the other party.
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Vainamoinen: Your thin air smells like shit, because it's coming out of your ass. And dajum, has that same air passed your rectum a thousand times.

In fact, I asked for evidence that you should be VERY keen to present. In fact, I went out there and saw what I could find, joined the Discord chat, searched for articles, and lo and behold, I did confirm Schreiber's assertion that 80% of the game were finished (yet only that he asserted it). But of course, referring to the limits of evidence as I found them, I said I've seen no evidence for the obvious smear part to be true and I'd reserve judgement until I see some relevant evidence. A conspiracy theory, that's calling you an alt account downvoter because every time you step into a thread, my posts turn red. Funny thing is, there's much more evidence for this theory than for the theory that Randy Pitchford is for some reason the sole roadblock to release some files for which he doesn't have the full rights. And the only thing you could as of yet reasonably add to this thread is exactly that thought, even though of course you weren't the first with that assessment.

We're not doing it the gamergate way any more. We're not building our fortress of accusations on unfounded hearsay. We're not taking the contributions of MAGA fucks any more. We're not drawing any conspiracy maps in Paint to prove our point.

And we're not copying rpgcodex posts in full with a bit of false interpretation spread on top of it and then quickly hide when someone dares to demand evidence from the person making the claim, by proxy or not.
You're so blinded by hate that you think gaters are more evil than a scumbag executive that partners up with a company that knowingly facilitates and profits from the sale of fraudulently obtained game keys, and that's sad, and disturbing.
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RWarehall: I believe the original poster, it seems the only one who doesn't seem to is you or Amok with your lame excuses why you don't believe him, like join dates or how you think it's a conspiracy or whatever made up bs you are throwing into this thread.
it is healthy to be critical. you should not believe anyone if they can not back things up. doing so is what has got us into the mess we have now with "alternative truth"... and I may stress again, I have never said he lies, I always say "what if". "What if"'s are important.

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RWarehall: It seems very clear than at the very least, Randy wants to make some money off the prototype material if he bothers to let it get released. It seems very clear that Frederick wants the prototypes released as he has already made Shadow Warrior prototypes available and is talking about prototypes he has for Prey.
what has my neighbor got to do with it?

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RWarehall: Or we can listen to our two resident Internet warriors (Amok or Vain) who just like poking holes in things for no reason. [...]
you should make a habit of always trying tot poke hole in things, you should never accept anything on face value alone. Also, if it is easy to poke holes in it, it means it is not solid.
Post edited March 08, 2018 by amok
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RWarehall: I cannot find the source material for most of it
Red flag.


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richlind33: you think gaters are more evil than a scumbag executive that partners up with a company that knowingly facilitates and profits from the sale of fraudulently obtained game keys, and that's sad, and disturbing.
On one side, the supposed deeds of a game developer I can easily avoid, and a new theory about more deeds that really doesn't pan out particularly well.

On the other, thousands of extremist gamers who found a movement on a misogynist hate manifesto, a pizzagate level stupid alt-right conspiracy theory from a guy who is now selling snake oil on infowars, and the constant falsification of a bunch of articles that don't contain what they are named after, didn't release on the same day, don't all say the same thing, and what they actually do say seems to be far too sophisticated for idiots to grasp.

It's difficult to quantify evilness, but yeah, one of those things scare me far more.
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RWarehall: I cannot find the source material for most of it
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Vainamoinen: Red flag.

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richlind33: you think gaters are more evil than a scumbag executive that partners up with a company that knowingly facilitates and profits from the sale of fraudulently obtained game keys, and that's sad, and disturbing.
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Vainamoinen: On one side, the supposed deeds of a game developer I can easily avoid, and a new theory about more deeds that really doesn't pan out particularly well.

On the other, thousands of extremist gamers who found a movement on a misogynist hate manifesto, a pizzagate level stupid alt-right conspiracy theory from a guy who is now selling snake oil on infowars, and the constant falsification of a bunch of articles that don't contain what they are named after, didn't release on the same day, don't all say the same thing, and what they actually do say seems to be far too sophisticated for idiots to grasp.

It's difficult to quantify evilness, but yeah, one of those things scare me far more.
So you're all shook up about misogyny, are you? Well here's an article detailing real, industrial grade misogyny, perpetrated for the most part against children, but I have a sneaking suspicion that this isn't the sort of misogyny that bothers you very much, if at all -- but hopefully I'm wrong. o.O

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11695826/Rotherham-child-sex-abuse-300-new-suspects.html
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amok: snip
You aren't being critical at all. You keep repeating the same thing and refuse to even acknowledge that you have been given a response. That's not critical thinking. That's playing devil's advocate into stupidity and it reflects poorly on you.

I found enough when I saw Randy in his own words talk about how what he really wants is to include the prototype material in a new collection. That tells anyone what they need to know when it comes to whether Randy Pitchford is really interested in releasing this for free. And this substantiates the claim of TonyTiger. For the record, THIS is what one gets with critical thinking. Amazingly much more informative then blindly yelling out "no evidence" a dozen times...

As to Vain, it's perfectly clear that his only intention is to troll those he doesn't like in this thread. As he calls people all sorts of names while refusing to discuss any of the nitty-gritty, it shows what sort of person he really is.

@Richlind - Thought about something you said earlier in the thread. I'm not so inclined to believe TonyTiger is Frederick, but I wouldn't be too surprised if he is an insider of some sort. He has just too much information on this and seems to lurk all the right forums. He'd have to be either the biggest Duke fanboy or else someone who is an insider who worked on one of the projects. He was a bit too quick with all the other prototypes that have been released for free in the past, as if he lives with that sort of information.
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richlind33: So you're all shook up about misogyny, are you? Well here's an article detailing real, industrial grade misogyny, perpetrated for the most part against children, but I have a sneaking suspicion that this isn't the sort of misogyny that bothers you very much, if at all -- but hopefully I'm wrong. o.O

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11695826/Rotherham-child-sex-abuse-300-new-suspects.html
What is this strangely obvious case of misdirection that you are employing here? Come on, this troubles me greatly, I assure you that. Enough to lose hope in humanity.

In comparison, I don't care about Randy Pitchford or Gearbox, really. But I do care about the despicable modes of slander, misdirection, falsification, hyperbole, generalization, muddying, misinterpretation, whataboutism and assorted other moral relativism, memeification and conspiracy mongering – a communicative weapon arsenal first tested by calling regressive gamers to arms and then used, in part by the very same people, to hand Donald Trump the presidency of the United States.


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RWarehall: As to Vain, it's perfectly clear
...that you don't want to understand basic principles of research, and have for at least four years used the troll accusation as your basic defense method when your arguments were shit. I'll gladly post a best of Rwarehall cries troll! Really hilarious stuff in there.
Post edited March 09, 2018 by Vainamoinen
I almost forgot all about Call of Dukenukem that was released back in 2011. Abomination of a game that needs to crawl back into the pits of Mordor where it came from.
I've been asked by the OP to step in because he feels like the discussion is going in the wrong direction, and he's not entirely wrong.

So, I'd like to ask some users in this thread, especially Vainamoinen, amok and RWarehall to quit arguing, since I don't feel it brings anything to the discussion started by the OP. I have no intent to close this thread, so please be kind to yourselves :)
Post edited March 09, 2018 by elcook
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More confirmation of the OP from the Duke4.net forums

"NuclearFailureJul '17
i watched this call and the answer seemed to be when they get the rights from 2k games and they can find a way to make money off of it by including it in some kind of collection. frederik schreiber volunteered to work on the mod tools for release for free because randy said he doesn’t know why they weren’t released with the game and he also said he would work on duke forever 2001 for free because randy said both things would cost money to do.

so the offer is there. for free frederik schreiber who announced he has access to all these things in the archives has said he will prepare both mod tools and the 2001 version of the game for release for free if that is what it will take to do but randy seemed to be more interested in waiting until some complete collection of every duke game could be done which is a shame because the way he talked about it it sounded like it would not happen anytime soon if ever. just an idea…"

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But I'm sure "some" people won't be convinced that TonyTiger didn't just make this up...
I think this is in reference to the same video I've been talking about in my previous posts...
That paragraph seems to be based on this July 2017 video chat.

And @elwood, maybe you should be using your moderation at the actual trolls who decided to derail the thread. I've been trying to contribute actual information to this thread as opposed to others. Quite frankly, you are a horrible mod.
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RWarehall: And @elwood, maybe you should be using your moderation at the actual trolls who decided to derail the thread. I've been trying to contribute actual information to this thread as opposed to others. Quite frankly, you are a horrible mod.
This.

While I disagree with Amok at least he is being polite about it. The only one 'ruining' this thread is Vainamoinen who appears to be off his meds.

Anyway, if nothing else comes of this at least some awesome modders created a mod recreating many events from the trailer. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXeJP6G38KQ
I got a question. It's not related with main topic. What Duke Nukem games should I play first? I always wanted to play these games but never had a chance. I saw some games on Steam but none on GOG. Interesting, I thought GOG had it some.
Post edited March 11, 2018 by kmcoolice
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kmcoolice: I got a question. It's not related with main topic. What Duke Nukem games should I play first? I always wanted to play these games but never had a chance. I saw some games on Steam but none on GOG. Interesting, I thought GOG had it.
GOG once had all the Duke Nukem games, except for the latest one (Forever). Then, 2016 happened and Duke Nukem switched ownership. As a result, the games were removed from GOG, along with almost every other digital store. Later in 2016, a new version of Duke Nukem 3D was released on Steam, but not here... for the time being.

Your options are:
1) Buy Duke Nukem 3D World Tour (the new version) on Steam
2) Try a trade with someone who might have a gift code of the old version of Duke Nukem 3D
3) Wait till/if Duke Nukem 3D World Tour shows up here
4) Forget about Duke Nukem
Post edited March 11, 2018 by Grargar
speaking about Duke nukem

eDuke32

also

KOOL!
Post edited March 11, 2018 by fr33kSh0w2012
i'm actually most interested in the 1998 version of dnf. it kinda looks and feels way more like duke than the 2001 version, anyone with me here? or are you with the op and prefer the 2001 version?

i really hope that the 1998 build will somehow leak, even if its not that complete compared to the 2001 build.
Post edited March 11, 2018 by apehater