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Someone has way too much free time. :P

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Here is something mindblowing that I found on Mobygames.
I guess almost everyone here knows that gog.com offers the game Capitalism Plus. Do you also know that in 1996 the Stanford and Harvard universities used the first version of Capitalism for educational purposes (, [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalism_%28video_game%29#Response]Wikipedia).
Quote from a Stanford professor named Tom Kosnik:
Capitalism is a world-class, hands-on learning experience I've used at Stanford School of Engineering and Harvard Business School. Gamers not only learn the subtleties of growing an entrepreneurial business but also learn about leadership and team building necessary in any business situation.
Yeah, I guess racing games teach then how to drive, egoshooters teach how to shoot and handle guns and flightsimulators teach how to handle a jet fighter...
No wonder that bankers, stock exchange speculators and shareholders think this is all just a game and that there are no negative sides in this economic system...
'facepalm*
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Post edited December 25, 2016 by viperfdl
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viperfdl: Quote from a Stanford professor named Tom Kosnik:

Capitalism is a world-class, hands-on learning experience I've used at Stanford School of Engineering and Harvard Business School. Gamers not only learn the subtleties of growing an entrepreneurial business but also learn about leadership and team building necessary in any business situation.
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viperfdl: Yeah, I guess racing games teach then how to drive, egoshooters teach how to shoot and handle guns and flightsimulators teach how to handle a jet fighter...
No wonder that bankers, stock exchange speculators and shareholders think this is all just a game and that there are no negative sides in this economic system...
'facepalm*
So lecture + simulation-like game is worse than lecture alone? The professor also said that players who lost were more likely to draw useful conclusions.
But yes, move on with the cheezburgers and "viperfdl has the only true world view".

Oh and by the way, there are racing games used to drive, even race, and shooters to teach tactics and sometimes also shooting.
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The-Business: So lecture + simulation-like game is worse than lecture alone? The professor also said that players who lost were more likely to draw useful conclusions.
It seems to me that you are either not willing or capable to understand that the computer game Capitalism isn't reflecting the real consequences of our "beloved" economic system. For example when people get fired because businesses merge or manager decide to cut expenses. Or that shareholders who speculate with wares like food - if the game offers this possibility - make the lives of humans who are dependant on this wares miserable.
If students play this game to learn how to run a business, do you really think that they later care for their employees or what consequences their decision have for other people?I doubt that. The only consequence they care about is if they go bankrupt or not. Humans will be most likely just numbers in a spreadsheet for them.
And according to the article you linked the player starts with $6m cash and $5m in their corporation. How many people have that privilege in reality?

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The-Business: But yes, move on with the cheezburgers and "viperfdl has the only true world view".
Yeah, just attack me personally. If that is all you can do then that isn't convincing at all. I never claimed to have "the only true world view" but just because I don't share the opinion of the majority doesn't mean that I'm wrong by definition!

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The-Business: Oh and by the way, there are racing games used to drive, even race, and shooters to teach tactics and sometimes also shooting.
Although you give no evidence for this claims I can assure you that your typical egoshooter does not teach you how to handle a pistol or rifle safely without the danger of shooting yourself in the foot - or other body parts...
There is more behind handling a real weapon than just reloading and pulling the trigger.
And please show me a typical racing or flight simulation that also simulates the forces on the human body in high speed turns, the psychological stress of the pilot in real situations. And no, the screen going black in flight sims to simulate blackouts doesn't count.
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viperfdl: I never claimed to have "the only true world view" but just because I don't share the opinion of the majority doesn't mean that I'm wrong by definition!
Sounds pretty absolute:
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viperfdl: No wonder that bankers, stock exchange speculators and shareholders think this is all just a game and that there are no negative sides in this economic system...
'facepalm*
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The-Business: But yes, move on with the cheezburgers and "viperfdl has the only true world view".
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viperfdl: Yeah, just attack me personally.
Ah yes:
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viperfdl: It seems to me that you are either not willing or capable to understand that the computer game Capitalism isn't reflecting the real consequences of our "beloved" economic system.
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viperfdl: If students play this game to learn how to run a business, do you really think that they later care for their employees or what consequences their decision have for other people?
Do you think managers fire people for fun? Working for years with them creates bondings (and the risk that those who suck up to the boss get treated better). Also, these people aren't standing by idle, if they get fired the company can do less. It's the company which pays the salaries, and if a competitor does the same thing for lower costs (e.g. because less employees), the company will have a hard time to survive. To fight the negative effects of these actions is a task of the state, e.g. to tax the companies to get the money for unemployment benefits, training for new jobs; also the minimum wage.

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viperfdl: And according to the article you linked the player starts with $6m cash and $5m in their corporation. How many people have that privilege in reality?
Does it matter how much a company is worth for this discussion? (For the record: US dollar inflation since the listed release year 1997 for Capitalism Plus is 50%, so these would be $9m and $7.5m.)
So obvious, yet it made me chuckle.
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The-Business: Sounds pretty absolute:
For you maybe

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The-Business: Ah yes:
What? You attack me personally and then are surprised that I return the favour?

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The-Business: Do you think managers fire people for fun? Working for years with them creates bondings (and the risk that those who suck up to the boss get treated better). Also, these people aren't standing by idle, if they get fired the company can do less. It's the company which pays the salaries, and if a competitor does the same thing for lower costs (e.g. because less employees), the company will have a hard time to survive. To fight the negative effects of these actions is a task of the state, e.g. to tax the companies to get the money for unemployment benefits, training for new jobs; also the minimum wage.
No, I think that managers fire people to raise profits and to please shareholders. And what you describe sounds like a small middle class company to me, where the boss knows the workers personally. But that kind of company isn't displayed in the game.
The rest you mention is inherent of the system and an economist like Richard Wolff can far better explain it than me which he did: Link

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The-Business: Does it matter how much a company is worth for this discussion? (For the record: US dollar inflation since the listed release year 1997 for Capitalism Plus is 50%, so these would be $9m and $7.5m.)
According to this list Stanford and Harvard are among the 10 richest Universities in America. Does it now matter to you?

Edit:
Fixed post.
Post edited December 26, 2016 by viperfdl
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