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StingingVelvet: Some games do want more than the typical 6-8GB of VRAM already.
Want or allocate? No GPUs have been hit in benchmarks by having 8gb below 4k and I'm not even sure if they've been hit at 4k yet. It will happen eventually though. And the comparison I suppose would be 1080ti vs 3060ti @4k gaming.
There's no such thing as too much RAM...

But having said that, I think 16 GB should be more than enough to run any game. Hey, it's a game, not a supercomputing weather modelling application or something with that level of complexity.

Of course, if you can get more than 16 GB by all means get it.
16G should be enough for everybody.
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rtcvb32: There is something freeing about 32Gb. It's enough where i can dump half my memory into a ram drive, and that's enough to copy nearly any game to and play from ram, avoiding hickups. Also being able to just disable the virtual swap memory, but you can do that at 8Gb.
You would think that you'd be able to fit any game on that, but I hear that there've been games coming out that are much bigger than that. It feels like developers have forgotten how to conserve space and have just been wasting it.
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rtcvb32: There is something freeing about 32Gb. It's enough where i can dump half my memory into a ram drive, and that's enough to copy nearly any game to and play from ram, avoiding hickups. Also being able to just disable the virtual swap memory, but you can do that at 8Gb.
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dtgreene: You would think that you'd be able to fit any game on that, but I hear that there've been games coming out that are much bigger than that. It feels like developers have forgotten how to conserve space and have just been wasting it.
Indeed.

Think back, some of the best games ran on the PS2, in fact you can instantly boot up Disgaea while modern games take like 3 minutes to load. The PS2 only had 32Mb of ram. Making games with lower than the limits needed to run Crysis would be a good thing.

I rarely consider games over 8Gb anyways, they take up way too much space. I think i tried a 80Gb MMO, and... lost interest after 2 weeks. Yay! Great use of space!

Though more recently having 10Gb to dump Skyrim on with my mods, lets me not see the game studder for 1/2 a second, and then nearby 'Oh so you wear light armor! Light armor means light on your feet, good idea!' randomly or other conversations i don't care about.
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supplementscene: Want or allocate? No GPUs have been hit in benchmarks by having 8gb below 4k and I'm not even sure if they've been hit at 4k yet. It will happen eventually though. And the comparison I suppose would be 1080ti vs 3060ti @4k gaming.
Look up Doom Eternal benchmarks. At the highest texture setting it absolutely is hit by VRAM limits. Pretty sure Watch Dogs Legion is another but don't quote me on that one.
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rtcvb32: Think back, some of the best games ran on the PS2, in fact you can instantly boot up Disgaea while modern games take like 3 minutes to load. The PS2 only had 32Mb of ram. Making games with lower than the limits needed to run Crysis would be a good thing.
Think back farther, some of the best games ran on the NES, in fact you can instantly boot Super Mario Bros. while modern games take like 3 minutes to load. The NES ony had 2Kb of ram (albeit many cartridges has an extra 8Kb or sometimes more). Making games with lower than the limits needed to run Disgaea would be a good thing.

See what I did there?
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dtgreene: See what I did there?
Go off topic in your own topic?
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dtgreene: See what I did there?
Played around with syntactical twists and semantics again?

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rtcvb32: while modern games take like 3 minutes to load.
What? Not since I tried to run Carmageddon on my Compaq 90mhz MMX machine have I seen those waiting numbers... well, actually it took much more than that to load if I remember correctly...
Post edited December 02, 2020 by sanscript
LOL I'm reading this thread on a laptop that I bought last year and it's supposed to be a low end gaming laptop but it only got 4 gig of RAM and it can get SLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWW af.

I can only go so far because I mostly play old games. I'm not even brave enough to get recently made games if their RAM requirement is 8 gig even if they're heavily discounted.

Even my browser is Vivaldi, pretty much old Opera replacement after the original Opera was murdered and got frankensteined with Chromium.
Post edited December 02, 2020 by RedRagan
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RedRagan: LOL I'm reading this thread on a laptop that I bought last year and it's supposed to be a low end gaming laptop but it only got 4 gig of RAM and it can get SLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWW af.

I can only go so far because I mostly play old games. I'm not even brave enough to get recently made games if their RAM requirement is 8 gig even if they're heavily discounted.

Even my browser is Vivaldi, pretty much old Opera replacement after the original Opera was murdered and got frankensteined with Chromium.
4 and 8 gig are low end these days somehow
cant help but feel thats preposterous
off course i got 16 gig im probably part of the problem
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kalirion: 16G should be enough for everybody.
i see what you did there
Post edited December 03, 2020 by snowkatt
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dtgreene: Note that the situation where compiling uses up large amounts of RAM comes up when using Gentoo, as certain packages (like Chromium and LibreOffice) are, in fact, huge C++ projects.

(Note that any other source-based distro that offers these packages has the same issue.)
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sanscript: Of course, everything is relative, and poorly optimized code and bug within the compiler itself is the worst offensive here, but from what I can gather, these aren't the type of huge projects I was thinking of. C and python seem to only use a few MB per 100.000-200.000 lines which is excellent for embedded archs like Arduino and RPI.

What I can read is that even 12 is more than enough for big projects, but someone that is far more experienced in different types should answer that more definitively with numbers. Perhaps one saves only 5 seconds with more RAM than 12-16... idk.
One thing to consider is how many compilers you run in parallel. A couple years ago, 8G was just barely enough for compiling Firefox on a dual-core (4 thread) laptop, and I had to make sure I don't have many browser tabs open when I'm compiling. I would assume that's not enough if you want to exploit the parallelism of a 8-core 16t CPU. And why would you buy such a CPU if you can't make good use of it..

I'm still using that laptop but I have to watch RAM usage all the time and start closing things before it hits the limit. Getting close to OOM is a daily concern.

I have 16G on my work laptop which I use mainly for coding & compiling, sometimes VMs, with some browsing. I run out of RAM every now and then; I've had to kill things like backups in the past to prevent OOM during a compile.

My desktop (R7 1800X) had 32GB of RAM and I did run out of RAM in similar usage a few times, so I upgraded to 64G now (and am waiting for a 12-core CPU, which should arrive very soon now).
Post edited December 03, 2020 by clarry
I will have 16GB on my next PC.

I was going to throw 32GB, but...looks way cheaper for me to order it later, when I need it - as it's a lot cheaper to buy on NewEgg, Amazon, anywhere else...instead of say just having them toss it in at the place I have building my next desktop (which I did configure custom-style).

For those with 32GB, 64GB, 128GB or more - what are y'all using all this RAM on? Are you running and emulating multiple OS's at once?
Post edited December 03, 2020 by MysterD
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MysterD: For those with 32GB, 64GB, 128GB or more - what are y'all using all this RAM on? Are you running and emulating multiple OS's at once?
Leaving all my programs* running = almost 16GB, and I don't want to close them all to play a game. I have 32GB.
* 5 database programs, 20 browser tabs, 2 music players, 10 Explorer windows, Email, FL Studio, 2 Backup programs, a few other background utilities
(Windows 10 x64 v1909)
Of note: My PC build is on hole until the CPU comes back down to a reasonable price. (It feels like I've been punished for waiting for Black Friday.)