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Theoclymenus: 1. Is the Royal Edition worth the extra money ? It contains the huge 512 page Prima guide, right ? Or wrong ? I read the manual last night and the game sounds amazing, but the rules and the way combat works are not explained very thoroughly there. Does the guide provide more specific and in-depth explanation ?
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Kardwill: No idea. I have the hero ed., and it's already very nice (and the in game encyclopaedia does a decent job explaining most combat mecanics.)
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Theoclymenus: 2. The level cap (12 for the vanilla game, 14 for the expanded game) is putting me off somewhat. I don't like the idea of character development coming to an end well before the end of the game, since that's half the fun of an RPG in my book. The IE games were very well paced and balanced in this regard. Has this spoilt the game for anyone ?
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Kardwill: I'm near the end, and I just hit level 12. Note that I'm somewhat a completionist regarding side quest (meaning I do all those that don't conflict with my character concept. No pillage-and-murder quests for my goody-two-shoes Eothasian priest, for example, but I still did 90% of them.), but I only played 5 of the 15 levels of the optional mega-dungeon, so a real hardcore completionist that does the mega-dungeon before ending the main quest will hit lvl 12 far sooner than me.

Still, the leveling is slow. So if you are not sure, I would advise to wait before buying the expansion. No sense to pay to unlock level 13-14 if you get bored of it before lvl 8. By the time you hit level 6, you should know if you like the game or not (for me, it was a very loud "YES!!!").
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Theoclymenus: 3. D&D fans (especially 2nd edition ruleset) : do you like the combat ? I personally loved the combat in the IE games, partly because I just like the way D&D rules work, but partly also because having six party members with very different strengths and weaknesses made for tactically complex and very absorbing battles. In PoE the party of six is back (yay !) but is the combat anything like D&D combat ? If it's more like the combat in Dragon Age I think I'll pass.
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Kardwill: The game really "feels" like some D&D3 (the mage gains spells from scrolls and must prepare a pool of them, while the priest has access to all of them, there is an "armor class" of sorts, characters gain both general "feats" and character class special abilities when they level up, the warrior can specialize in some weapons far more than other classes, etc...) mixed with some D&D4, but the combat mecanics underneath are very different from D&D.

I would say they are more complicated than D&D (4 different AC, 6 different DR, 2 different HP gauges, many special attacks and abilities, many different status alterations), although they've been done so that IE players would be in familiar territory. Learning those mecanics has been quite fun for me, and they allow for some nice tactics.

Add to this a story that starts slow, but takes up steam and becomes quite epic, and VERY good dialogues and NPCs, and overall, it's really good stuff. You should enjoy it :)
Thanks for more info on the game itself. I certainly like the sound of the game itself and will buy it at some point, but inc09ito's (and others') post has persuaded me against buying it just yet I think, unless i have a sudden change of heart in the next hour or so.
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Theoclymenus: I've just been having a discussion about that with another user and I agree. As far as I understand, Steam DOES offer upgrades from the cheaper editions. This would seem to be forcing us into a "now or never" decision when deciding which version to buy. Unless you buy several editions, which is just financial suicide ! I wonder why GOG cannot offer upgrades and whether it will do so in future ?
I think most other games do offer it, Wasteland 2 for example.
It's not a huge deal, but it is pretty sloppy.
It's your call, and I understand the decision to wait till the expansion is out.

Although my opinion is that the main game really IS a complete experience. They recently released a big (free) update with the white march, but the game is long (I'm 70 hours in, and I didn't finish it, as I said), the mecanics work (there were many patches and balancing a few month ago, but now it's fine), the story feels complete, nothing left out.

The expansion really IS an expansion : Different story, in a different part of the world, with new NPCs, that just happens at the same time as the main quest. In fact, leaving the main questzone to go solve some problem in the middle of freezin' nowhere feels somewhat "off". It's the reason I didn't venture much into the white march myself : I want to complete my "story" first. Then I'll reload an earlier save, and go play tourist in the white march ;)

The only thing in the main game that feels incomplete is the keep. It's just there, but not much to do with it. My only disappointment with the game. Maybe my hopes (something as awesome as NWN2's castle) were a little to high ^^.
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Theoclymenus: I've just been having a discussion about that with another user and I agree. As far as I understand, Steam DOES offer upgrades from the cheaper editions. This would seem to be forcing us into a "now or never" decision when deciding which version to buy. Unless you buy several editions, which is just financial suicide ! I wonder why GOG cannot offer upgrades and whether it will do so in future ?
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Smannesman: I think most other games do offer it, Wasteland 2 for example.
It's not a huge deal, but it is pretty sloppy.
It just means that, if you do decide to buy from GOG (which I would rather do), you have to decide very carefully which version to buy, for fear that the option to upgrade will never materialise. At least if you buy the game from Steam you can upgrade later. Ultimately, though, I'm passing for now since I would rather buy the game when it is complete / close to completion. The way games are released and sold these days is a real bugbear of mine.
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Kardwill: It's your call, and I understand the decision to wait till the expansion is out.

Although my opinion is that the main game really IS a complete experience. They recently released a big (free) update with the white march, but the game is long (I'm 70 hours in, and I didn't finish it, as I said), the mecanics work (there were many patches and balancing a few month ago, but now it's fine), the story feels complete, nothing left out.

The expansion really IS an expansion : Different story, in a different part of the world, with new NPCs, that just happens at the same time as the main quest. In fact, leaving the main questzone to go solve some problem in the middle of freezin' nowhere feels somewhat "off". It's the reason I didn't venture much into the white march myself : I want to complete my "story" first. Then I'll reload an earlier save, and go play tourist in the white march ;)

The only thing in the main game that feels incomplete is the keep. It's just there, but not much to do with it. My only disappointment with the game. Maybe my hopes (something as awesome as NWN2's castle) were a little to high ^^.
You've helped to convince me that I want to play the game itself, but I'm a bit of a completionist like inc09nito, so I think it's wiser for me to pass for now. My wallet agrees.
Post edited November 05, 2015 by Theoclymenus
I'm in the same boat as you, but I'm not going to buy it until a "Complete Edition" or at least the second part of the first expansion comes out. I mean, giving it some time obviously pays off, see the enhanced editions of Wasteland 2 and Divinity: OS. When you take into consideration it's been only seven months since release, I think it's reasonable to wait a bit longer. Perhaps Easter 2016.

As for your level cap / XP concerns, I think I've read they're aware of this and they have taken some steps to solve the issue, though I'm not certain what exactly - was there rebalancing or did they just mean the higher cap the came with the expansion.
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hyperagathon: I'm in the same boat as you, but I'm not going to buy it until a "Complete Edition" or at least the second part of the first expansion comes out. I mean, giving it some time obviously pays off, see the enhanced editions of Wasteland 2 and Divinity: OS. When you take into consideration it's been only seven months since release, I think it's reasonable to wait a bit longer. Perhaps Easter 2016.

As for your level cap / XP concerns, I think I've read they're aware of this and they have taken some steps to solve the issue, though I'm not certain what exactly - was there rebalancing or did they just mean the higher cap the came with the expansion.
Regarding the level cap issue, I don't know the answer to your question. That would also matter to me, so that's another reason for not taking the plunge yet. Will The White March Part 2 raise the level cap even further ? Will patches raise it ? As I said above, I wouldn't want the level cap removed but I don't like the idea of it being too low either.

I agree with you, I think it is wiser to wait. Back in days of BG2 we only had to wait for a few bugfixes and a single (enormous) expansion pack. I wish games were still released and sold in the same way, sigh !