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I figure with as large as the community is, someone can help me here.

I'm looking to upgrade my Desktop. I'm on an AMD Phenom x4 620 and Radeon HD 4670, which is pretty low end these days. I was eyeing a GTX 760 or a Radeon 270...but I'm trying to figure out how badly they'll be bottle necked by the CPU. If the bottleneck is bad enough, then it doesn't make any sense paying the extra for the fancy card if a cheaper model would give the same results.
Post edited May 01, 2015 by Hawk52
My card comes up as a Raedon 6900, probably a $300 card while i paid $120 for it.

If you don't need all the highest effects, i'd say go for a card on heavy discount...

Course it really depends on what you plan on playing...
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rtcvb32: My card comes up as a Raedon 6900, probably a $300 card while i paid $120 for it.

If you don't need all the highest effects, i'd say go for a card on heavy discount...

Course it really depends on what you plan on playing...
I mostly want to be able to play some modern games at all, such as WWE 2k15 or maybe GTA 5. If I tried them on my machines right now, I'd expect they'd explode.

Witcher 2's another one...On my existing machines I get maybe 20 FPS.
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Hawk52: I'm looking to upgrade my Desktop. I'm on an AMD Phenom x4 620 and Radeon HD 4670, which is pretty low end these days. I was eyeing a GTX 760 or a Radeon 270...but I'm trying to figure out how badly they'll be bottle necked by the CPU.
Eh? Neither should bottleneck it. They're not very high end cards at all.

But you should be looking at a 280/x or 285 instead of the 270/760 if you're in the $200 range. It's worth the difference. Acheap 960 with the Witcher 3 is fine too on the other end (though something about underperforming against a 280).
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Hawk52: I'm looking to upgrade my Desktop. I'm on an AMD Phenom x4 620 and Radeon HD 4670, which is pretty low end these days. I was eyeing a GTX 760 or a Radeon 270...but I'm trying to figure out how badly they'll be bottle necked by the CPU.
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MaximumBunny: Eh? Neither should bottleneck it. They're not very high end cards at all.

But you should be looking at a 280/x or 285 instead of the 270/760 if you're in the $200 range. It's worth the difference. Acheap 960 with the Witcher 3 is fine too on the other end (though something about underperforming against a 280).
So my processor wouldn't noticeably bottleneck a GTX 960? My worry is I'd buy a 200 dollar GPU but only get the same performance that I'd get out of one for 100 dollars. Sorry if I sound dumb, but I'm finding this confusing. :(
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Hawk52: So my processor wouldn't noticeably bottleneck a GTX 960? My worry is I'd buy a 200 dollar GPU but only get the same performance that I'd get out of one for 100 dollars. Sorry if I sound dumb, but I'm finding this confusing. :(
Correct. The biggest issue would be the speed you're running it at and not the model of processor it is. If you had a decent/$20 aftermarket cooler and bumped it to 3-3.1ghz you'd be doing fine for the latest games I'm sure. That's the only thing I'd recommend if it was my own rig.

Also, if your budget permitted it would you have gone higher? Without the concern of a bottleneck.
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Hawk52: So my processor wouldn't noticeably bottleneck a GTX 960? My worry is I'd buy a 200 dollar GPU but only get the same performance that I'd get out of one for 100 dollars. Sorry if I sound dumb, but I'm finding this confusing. :(
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MaximumBunny: Correct. The biggest issue would be the speed you're running it at and not the model of processor it is. If you had a decent/$20 aftermarket cooler and bumped it to 3-3.1ghz you'd be doing fine for the latest games I'm sure. That's the only thing I'd recommend if it was my own rig.

Also, if your budget permitted it would you have gone higher? Without the concern of a bottleneck.
Not really. A GTX 960 for 189 is pushing it already. I just got to thinking and looking up things and got scared that I'd be wasting my money on the card. If I had more, I'd just do the CPU at the same time but I don't. :(
This thread has prompted me to update my graphics card from 2008 to 2011.

Watch as I send my machine screaming into the future.
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Hawk52: Not really. A GTX 960 for 189 is pushing it already. I just got to thinking and looking up things and got scared that I'd be wasting my money on the card. If I had more, I'd just do the CPU at the same time but I don't. :(
I see. Then you're fine for now. :P

And I didn't mean that any processor is fine if it has a high speed. Just that in your case it's the only limitation I can see.
I assume that your CPU is an Athlon X4 620, not Phenom X4 620, right? I couldn't find any info about a Phenom X4 620.

Your CPU will be a bottleneck, but on a higher end graphics card you can always use a higher resolution, antialiasing or more effects, so the power isn't wasted (unless you go with a very high end card, which you won't). I'd also recommend a higher end card so that if you do decide to upgrade the CPU it won't immediately become a bottleneck. You should still be able to play The Witcher 2 on your CPU at 30+ FPS and maybe GTA 5 at around 30 FPS (although your CPU is around the minimum, and it probably won't sustain a constant 30+ FPS).

I think that in this case just upgrading the graphics card to something good will give you some breathing room. If you have an AM3 board you should be able to upgrade to an FX-6300 (or better in the future, and that would reduce that bottleneck considerably.
To bring in some facts: this is a quite extensive article on a german game site that sheds some light on the bottleneck issue. If you look at the different benchmark images ("gut spielbar"=playable , "ruckelt"=stuttering) one can conclude: the bottleneck issue very much depends on the cpu type and the game you play. Also if your cpu is weak, a high end gpu is money down the drain.
Post edited May 01, 2015 by russellskanne
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ET3D: I assume that your CPU is an Athlon X4 620, not Phenom X4 620, right? I couldn't find any info about a Phenom X4 620.

Your CPU will be a bottleneck, but on a higher end graphics card you can always use a higher resolution, antialiasing or more effects, so the power isn't wasted (unless you go with a very high end card, which you won't). I'd also recommend a higher end card so that if you do decide to upgrade the CPU it won't immediately become a bottleneck. You should still be able to play The Witcher 2 on your CPU at 30+ FPS and maybe GTA 5 at around 30 FPS (although your CPU is around the minimum, and it probably won't sustain a constant 30+ FPS).

I think that in this case just upgrading the graphics card to something good will give you some breathing room. If you have an AM3 board you should be able to upgrade to an FX-6300 (or better in the future, and that would reduce that bottleneck considerably.
Thanks. I went ahead and ordered the GTX 960. I'll aim to upgrade the CPU as soon as I can, whenever that is. My main fear was overpaying for what I would be getting in terms of performance for the old girl.
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Hawk52: Thanks. I went ahead and ordered the GTX 960. I'll aim to upgrade the CPU as soon as I can, whenever that is. My main fear was overpaying for what I would be getting in terms of performance for the old girl.
Just curious, how many watts does your power source has?
Post edited May 01, 2015 by Rievier
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Hawk52: Thanks. I went ahead and ordered the GTX 960. I'll aim to upgrade the CPU as soon as I can, whenever that is. My main fear was overpaying for what I would be getting in terms of performance for the old girl.
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Rievier: Just curious, how many watts does your power source has?
600. I made sure to look into that to make sure I cleared the minimum's.
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Hawk52: 600. I made sure to look into that to make sure I cleared the minimum's.
Then you won't have any problems with it whatsoever. Sorry that I asked, but you know, better safe than sorry.